Delta Pilots Association
02-19-2011, 01:16 AM
#4412
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
02-19-2011, 05:13 AM
#4413
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
It is my opinion that DPA served a valuable purpose and has already produced results.
While I did not send in a card for DPA, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of an inhouse union. This is not because I think an inhouse would necessarily be stronger initially, but because ALPA national is such an unmitigated failure for the Delta pilots in so many ways...I dont think this is the time to rehash those failures, they've been covered at length here and in other threads.
DPA IMO has been succesful because DALPA is now more responsive and communication is greatly improved. I credit DPA (partially) with council 20s FPL initiative and the LECs chairs stance on outsourcing. I also think there have been improvements and harder lines taken at other LECs.
Look at the makeup of ALPA and the populations of pilots at the other airlines. If DPA had succeeded, there would have been a huge sucking sound at ALPA as 12500 pilots exited.
I also think if DPA had started organizing after recieving more and better guidance from CAPA, the card drive would have been more successful. I am sure there are many pilots, like me, whodid not send inthe card, but who also recognize the fatal flaws within ALPA.
While I did not send in a card for DPA, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of an inhouse union. This is not because I think an inhouse would necessarily be stronger initially, but because ALPA national is such an unmitigated failure for the Delta pilots in so many ways...I dont think this is the time to rehash those failures, they've been covered at length here and in other threads.
DPA IMO has been succesful because DALPA is now more responsive and communication is greatly improved. I credit DPA (partially) with council 20s FPL initiative and the LECs chairs stance on outsourcing. I also think there have been improvements and harder lines taken at other LECs.
Look at the makeup of ALPA and the populations of pilots at the other airlines. If DPA had succeeded, there would have been a huge sucking sound at ALPA as 12500 pilots exited.
I also think if DPA had started organizing after recieving more and better guidance from CAPA, the card drive would have been more successful. I am sure there are many pilots, like me, whodid not send inthe card, but who also recognize the fatal flaws within ALPA.
02-19-2011, 05:32 AM
#4414
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
It is my opinion that DPA served a valuable purpose and has already produced results.
While I did not send in a card for DPA, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of an inhouse union. This is not because I think an inhouse would necessarily be stronger initially, but because ALPA national is such an unmitigated failure for the Delta pilots in so many ways...I dont think this is the time to rehash those failures, they've been covered at length here and in other threads.
DPA IMO has been succesful because DALPA is now more responsive and communication is greatly improved. I credit DPA (partially) with council 20s FPL initiative and the LECs chairs stance on outsourcing. I also think there have been improvements and harder lines taken at other LECs.
Look at the makeup of ALPA and the populations of pilots at the other airlines. If DPA had succeeded, there would have been a huge sucking sound at ALPA as 12500 pilots exited.
I also think if DPA had started organizing after recieving more and better guidance from CAPA, the card drive would have been more successful. I am sure there are many pilots, like me, whodid not send inthe card, but who also recognize the fatal flaws within ALPA.
While I did not send in a card for DPA, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of an inhouse union. This is not because I think an inhouse would necessarily be stronger initially, but because ALPA national is such an unmitigated failure for the Delta pilots in so many ways...I dont think this is the time to rehash those failures, they've been covered at length here and in other threads.
DPA IMO has been succesful because DALPA is now more responsive and communication is greatly improved. I credit DPA (partially) with council 20s FPL initiative and the LECs chairs stance on outsourcing. I also think there have been improvements and harder lines taken at other LECs.
Look at the makeup of ALPA and the populations of pilots at the other airlines. If DPA had succeeded, there would have been a huge sucking sound at ALPA as 12500 pilots exited.
I also think if DPA had started organizing after recieving more and better guidance from CAPA, the card drive would have been more successful. I am sure there are many pilots, like me, whodid not send inthe card, but who also recognize the fatal flaws within ALPA.
Continuing a drive when it is obvious to all it will fail is very counter-productive. Take up the discussions immediately after C2012 is signed, if desired, but the efforts should be called off now.
02-19-2011, 05:53 AM
#4415
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
scambo, fine, if we spot them all of those achievements, will they go away now, and start the healing process? The sooner our group is unified, the more effective we can become in achieving what every one of us wants.
Continuing a drive when it is obvious to all it will fail is very counter-productive. Take up the discussions immediately after C2012 is signed, if desired, but the efforts should be called off now.
Continuing a drive when it is obvious to all it will fail is very counter-productive. Take up the discussions immediately after C2012 is signed, if desired, but the efforts should be called off now.
The timing is just wrong right now.
02-19-2011, 05:59 AM
#4416
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
Interesting how you and Splash can only deride our attempt at an in-house union instead of reacting to this latest embarrassing legal ruling against ALPA. I can only assume that even for the truly dyed in the wool apologists like you two, the DPA provides the only way you can react to this.
Carl
Carl
02-19-2011, 06:11 AM
#4417
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Now we are left to be represented by ALPA. The ALPA that tried to bust their own union...and failed. The ALPA whose lawyers (the same "experts" that we use) aided the union bust attempt...and failed. The ALPA who has suffered yet another embarrassing loss in court. But not to worry, our dues will payout the lawsuit.
I can see why you're so excited Reroute.
Carl
02-19-2011, 07:59 PM
#4419
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B-7ER JFK
Posts: 931
Yes ! But common sense is needed, not all of us are equiped with that unfortunately.
02-20-2011, 08:15 AM
#4420
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
I'll save you a little bit of work, direct from the ALPA C&BL (bold mine):
Article IX - MEMBERSHIP FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS
SECTION 3 - ANNUAL DUES
C. (1) DUES RATE (ACTIVE AND EXECUTIVE ACTIVE MEMBERS). The dues rate for Active and Executive Active members shall be 1.95% of estimated airline income.
SECTION 4 - INCOME EXEMPT FROM DUES
The following income shall be exempt from dues, subject to verification and approval by the member's Local Executive Council:
C. Special bonus or merit award income, provided that a general bonus to all members of an airline shall not be exempt.
Pretty much cut and dried, this section of the C&BL has not changed in many years. Your complaint has no merit.
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