Delta Pilots Association
02-11-2011, 03:57 AM
#4401
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Position: right for a long, long time
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The DFR lawsuit will not be against the subsidiary, it will be against ALPA national. It will not be a defense for ALPA to say: "It wasn't us...it was the subsidiary we used to negotiate." That defense would not have a legal leg to stand upon. Especially given the amount of written material showing ALPA bragging about APA using the professional services and expertise of ALPA.
Carl
Carl
Lawyers get paid very well to be very creative and win the case..NOT to prove or disprove the actions of their client.
02-17-2011, 10:46 AM
#4402
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For all those that believe ALPA is the "gold standard" when it comes to knowing about labor law, yesterday's ruling should at least give you pause. ALPA loses yet another lawsuit...
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
02-17-2011, 11:19 AM
#4403
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Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
For all those that believe ALPA is the "gold standard" when it comes to knowing about labor law, yesterday's ruling should at least give you pause. ALPA loses yet another lawsuit...
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
02-17-2011, 07:42 PM
#4405
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Posts: 1,044
For all those that believe ALPA is the "gold standard" when it comes to knowing about labor law, yesterday's ruling should at least give you pause. ALPA loses yet another lawsuit...
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
Carl
02-17-2011, 08:49 PM
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02-18-2011, 05:21 PM
#4407
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Posts: 335
ALPA lawyers are in a union and work for a union. Seham works for management. Maybe every time you feel the need to bash ALPA, you should add the tag line - Could be worse...could be DPA!
02-18-2011, 08:28 PM
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Pay attention. Unit 1 is the professional staff...including lawyers. The Representation Department. DPA is using Seham as their lawyers...their representation department. The thread topic is "Delta Pilots Association". I think that means the context here should be how all this relates to DPA. We know how much the ALPA lawyers are paid, and who they work for. What we don't know is how much the DPA lawyers are paid, and who they work for.
ALPA lawyers are in a union and work for a union. Seham works for management. Maybe every time you feel the need to bash ALPA, you should add the tag line - Could be worse...could be DPA!
ALPA lawyers are in a union and work for a union. Seham works for management. Maybe every time you feel the need to bash ALPA, you should add the tag line - Could be worse...could be DPA!
UALPAPAE: World’s Largest Pilots’ Union Violated Its Own Employees’ Labor Rights, Says National Labor Relations Board Judge
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Press Release Source: Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) On Wednesday February 16, 2011, 4:17 pm EST
HERNDON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) Administrative Law Judge Bruce Rosenstein issued his decision February 15 in the unfair labor practice case filed by Unit 1 of the Union of Air Line Pilots Association Professional and Administrative Employees (Unit 1) against the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA). Unit 1 is the labor union that has represented ALPA’s professional employees since the early 1950s.
Judge Rosenstein found that ALPA had committed all of the unfair labor practices alleged in a complaint filed in 2009 by the NLRB based on charges submitted by Unit 1. In his ruling, the administrative law judge found that ALPA had violated the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) when it illegally laid off 12 employees and imposed changes to pay, fringe benefits and work rules before the two sides reached a lawful impasse in bargaining.
“This ruling confirms what Unit 1 has been saying for the last two years,” said Don McClure, Unit 1 president, “that ALPA acted unlawfully and has repeatedly ignored the law and the rights of its own employees.”
In March 2009, Unit 1 filed a charge of unfair labor practices against ALPA management with the NLRB. The in-house union contended ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to disclose information requested by Unit 1 about ALPA’s plan to conduct employee layoffs in early 2009. Unit 1 also claims ALPA management failed to meet its obligation to bargain over the planned layoffs in violation of the NLRA.
In a May 2009 move unprecedented in the half-century of the relationship between ALPA and Unit 1, management at ALPA unilaterally imposed changed pay, fringe benefits and work rules on their unionized Unit 1 professional staff after contract negotiations between the two failed to produce an agreement. Unit 1 filed a charge over this imposition of the changes without bargaining to impasse, which was then added to the complaint.
The ruling, which can be viewed on the NLRB website, outlines several remedies including rescinding the imposed terms and reinstatement and make whole of the employees who were laid off.
The Board estimates that the backpay ALPA owes the 12 Unit 1 employees who were illegally laid off currently exceeds $700,000, and Unit 1 estimates that it will cost ALPA well in excess of $2 million to rescind the unilaterally imposed terms.
“This type of intransigent behavior is what ALPA fights against on behalf of its members every single day,” said McClure. “For the world’s largest pilots’ union to flaunt the law in such an egregious manner is reprehensible. The law judge agreed with us.”
The nearly 60 year old Unit 1 of UALPAPAE represents 168 professional staffers, including labor lawyers, economic analysts, retirement specialists, air safety engineers and communications practitioners at ALPA. ALPA represents 54,000 pilots at 36 airlines in North America.
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The people at ALPA national that decided to fight this fight against their own office workers are the same lawyers that we all use for our battles. We all know their names. What kind of judgment does it show when our guys continue to fight these fights and lose? This is just another in a long string of multi-million dollar losses that will have to be paid out by our dues money.
So how do you respond? By not talking about the judgment at all. Instead, you ask about the DPA's legal team.
You can be in denial all you wish. It's your right. But when you so blatantly ignore evidence and change the subject, people will notice. In my view, the evidence is clear: Our lawyers at ALPA national have poor judgment and poor legal skills. This latest slap down is an embarrassment in more ways than one.
Talk about a need to pay attention!
Carl
02-18-2011, 09:40 PM
#4409
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Posts: 593
DPA promise:
Latest DTW base communication November 06
DPA promise:
The Communication Committee will consist of a Captain and First Officer representative at each pilot base.
DPA performance: There is not a single base with a Captain and First Officer representative.
After nearly a year of organizing, they can't even get pilots to volunteer as base communications reps.
I do see that they have managed to retain the worst labor attorney in the industry though.
- Communication will utilize technology to limit expense and will be timely and informative.
Latest DTW base communication November 06
DPA promise:
The Communication Committee will consist of a Captain and First Officer representative at each pilot base.
DPA performance: There is not a single base with a Captain and First Officer representative.
After nearly a year of organizing, they can't even get pilots to volunteer as base communications reps.
I do see that they have managed to retain the worst labor attorney in the industry though.
02-19-2011, 12:59 AM
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DPA promise:
Latest DTW base communication November 06
DPA promise:
The Communication Committee will consist of a Captain and First Officer representative at each pilot base.
DPA performance: There is not a single base with a Captain and First Officer representative.
After nearly a year of organizing, they can't even get pilots to volunteer as base communications reps.
I do see that they have managed to retain the worst labor attorney in the industry though.
- Communication will utilize technology to limit expense and will be timely and informative.
Latest DTW base communication November 06
DPA promise:
The Communication Committee will consist of a Captain and First Officer representative at each pilot base.
DPA performance: There is not a single base with a Captain and First Officer representative.
After nearly a year of organizing, they can't even get pilots to volunteer as base communications reps.
I do see that they have managed to retain the worst labor attorney in the industry though.
Carl
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