Delta Pilots Association
01-20-2011, 12:29 PM
#4141
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
(I quoted you so at least you cannot complain about that) 
If I am as you say I am; engaged, it is because I work on being engaged and informed. Yes, it is work, and yes, it takes my personal time and effort. Do my concerns get more credence? No, the resolution and survey process are for that. I do get to debate the facts with some of the decision makers, and that is something anyone can do. What it takes is once again, time and effort on each pilots part, to do the research, arm themselves with the facts, and present a reasoned based case.
Trust me sometimes the facts are inconvenient, but they are the facts.
As for ALPA changing. If true lasting change is to come to ANY organization, it needs to start with the bottom and work its way up. It starts with each line pilot not being apathetic, demanding results and two way communication from their reps. It then in turn needs to come from the reps demanding that their pilots agenda be the agenda of their MEC. (Happens a lot) and then demanding that their MEC put forth their pilots demands at the National level.
Talking about this on a web board is good for the soul and takes minimal time. It is quite another to make the time commitment to stay engaged and force an issue or issues. If even 40% of this group was involved on a day in and day out bases the results would be staggering. Instead we have a lot less than that, and many wonder why their concerns are not the majority position.
*Last note. Whether or not I am dissatisfied or not is irrelevant, what is relevant is that I make sure my position is heard, and I give (most time) fact base reasoning for my position. As with everything if better facts are presented I can and will change my position.
The end goal is not my agenda that goes forward, but the agenda of the Delta Pilot's. When that happens we are successful, but for that to happen, pilots first need to be engaged.
If I am as you say I am; engaged, it is because I work on being engaged and informed. Yes, it is work, and yes, it takes my personal time and effort. Do my concerns get more credence? No, the resolution and survey process are for that. I do get to debate the facts with some of the decision makers, and that is something anyone can do. What it takes is once again, time and effort on each pilots part, to do the research, arm themselves with the facts, and present a reasoned based case.
Trust me sometimes the facts are inconvenient, but they are the facts.
As for ALPA changing. If true lasting change is to come to ANY organization, it needs to start with the bottom and work its way up. It starts with each line pilot not being apathetic, demanding results and two way communication from their reps. It then in turn needs to come from the reps demanding that their pilots agenda be the agenda of their MEC. (Happens a lot) and then demanding that their MEC put forth their pilots demands at the National level.
Talking about this on a web board is good for the soul and takes minimal time. It is quite another to make the time commitment to stay engaged and force an issue or issues. If even 40% of this group was involved on a day in and day out bases the results would be staggering. Instead we have a lot less than that, and many wonder why their concerns are not the majority position.
*Last note. Whether or not I am dissatisfied or not is irrelevant, what is relevant is that I make sure my position is heard, and I give (most time) fact base reasoning for my position. As with everything if better facts are presented I can and will change my position.
The end goal is not my agenda that goes forward, but the agenda of the Delta Pilot's. When that happens we are successful, but for that to happen, pilots first need to be engaged.
*Bottom up change is a myth
01-20-2011, 12:38 PM
#4142
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
01-20-2011, 12:44 PM
#4143
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
01-20-2011, 06:51 PM
#4144
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
I suppose, but because he is wired in he gets to be less dissatisfied than most of the rest of us... His concerns probably get heard and actually listened to..
Hey, if alpa actually changes, I will be the first to step up to the plate and eat crow... but you and I both know it ain't gonna happen...
Insanity: Doing the same thing..... you know how it goes
Hey, if alpa actually changes, I will be the first to step up to the plate and eat crow... but you and I both know it ain't gonna happen...
Insanity: Doing the same thing..... you know how it goes
01-20-2011, 08:48 PM
#4145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
For those wondering about the number of DPA members to date... According to their web site, the tally currently stands at 1500. Looks like DTW has the most followed by ATL, MSP, and NYC. Here's a link to the page: DPA News
01-20-2011, 08:55 PM
#4146
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
I'm not surprised that after bankruptcy, a merger and the deepest and longest recession since the 1930s that there would be some pilots willing to send in cards, but after 8-9 months of organizing, 1500 out of 12,000?
01-21-2011, 03:51 AM
#4147
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
You might be overstating the case, 1500 pilots submitted a card, they didn't vote for DPA by sending in those cards. I suspect that many sent in a card to have a vote, or send a message, and some have asked that their cards be sent back, but how many would actually vote for DPA?
I'm not surprised that after bankruptcy, a merger and the deepest and longest recession since the 1930s that there would be some pilots willing to send in cards, but after 8-9 months of organizing, 1500 out of 12,000?
I'm not surprised that after bankruptcy, a merger and the deepest and longest recession since the 1930s that there would be some pilots willing to send in cards, but after 8-9 months of organizing, 1500 out of 12,000?
And many havent sent in cards yet because: DPAs timing is off (contract negotiation timing) and they are giving our recently elected LEC and MEC people a chance to convince them of hope and change.
Boy I'm glad the 1930's was just a recession...okay it was a typo. We just havent entered the 2011 depression...yet.
Do you really think DPA is an indictment of DALPA? I don't, I think it is an attempt to get untied from ALPA, you know the "seat at the table" guys who have pretty well proven their only ability is to screw the profession while telling us how great they are.
01-21-2011, 06:10 AM
#4148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
And many havent sent in cards yet because: DPAs timing is off (contract negotiation timing) and they are giving our recently elected LEC and MEC people a chance to convince them of hope and change.
Boy I'm glad the 1930's was just a recession...okay it was a typo. We just havent entered the 2011 depression...yet.
Do you really think DPA is an indictment of DALPA? I don't, I think it is an attempt to get untied from ALPA, you know the "seat at the table" guys who have pretty well proven their only ability is to screw the profession while telling us how great they are.
Boy I'm glad the 1930's was just a recession...okay it was a typo. We just havent entered the 2011 depression...yet.
Do you really think DPA is an indictment of DALPA? I don't, I think it is an attempt to get untied from ALPA, you know the "seat at the table" guys who have pretty well proven their only ability is to screw the profession while telling us how great they are.
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