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09-22-2010, 08:50 AM
#392
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I don't disagree with you here but maybe what needs to be done is bring forth a resolution to review the performance of that counsel with the possibility of making changes.
What kind of annual review is done with our alpa staff and what is the definition of "successful performance"? These are questions that should be answered by National and distributed to to masses.
What kind of annual review is done with our alpa staff and what is the definition of "successful performance"? These are questions that should be answered by National and distributed to to masses.
Carl
09-22-2010, 09:02 AM
#393
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Maybe our profession has matured to the point that we no longer require a "union affiliation" but instead professional pilots require a lobbying group and let us individually (on a per company scale) negotiate contracts. I really don't know but I do know there is a lot of fear mongering and half truths (from both sides of this argument) and what we all really want are the facts clearly laid out for us to see/read and make up our own adult mind.
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea of the card drive and hopefully it will produce information that we all desire. I don't know that I can support the identified president of DPA however. That is my opinion and I will leave it at that.
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09-22-2010, 09:10 AM
#394
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Organization Query Page (ERDS)
ALPA's file number is 000179, click "submit"
Click "2009 Report" under Fiscal Year
And there you will find ALPA National's LM-2 filing.
ALPA's file number is 000179, click "submit"
Click "2009 Report" under Fiscal Year
And there you will find ALPA National's LM-2 filing.
General manager......$411,100
Chief Counsel..........$411,100
Contract Admin.......$242,800
Web Architect........$129,800
Chief economist......$314,300
Staff attorney........$244,500
Lobbyist................$177,600
Finance director......$240,500
Real estate mgr.......$137,900
Ops manager...........$204,300
Again, this is an extremely short portion of the list for 2009.
Tsquare, does this partially answer your question?
Carl
09-22-2010, 09:11 AM
#395
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Don't forget TWA.... ALPA went up against the APA...who came out on top?
Seriously, back to your discussion:
The "reform" of ALPA is a moot point. You can vote in whoever you want, in those cases where you have any kind of vote at all.
Look at DALPA.... Good people in the LECs spend the time to put together a resolution, and it is IGNORED by the MEC.
"But", they say, "the few people who show up at a LEC meeting isn't the 'will of the pilot group'". Guess what? NEITHER ARE LEC ELECTIONS!, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT WORKS...ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE AND TAKE THE TIME HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNTED.
Are they saying the individual LEC reps don't represent the will of the pilot group? How can that be? Should reps from councils with a %15 participation in elections be stripped of their voting power?
Besides, even if you vote for people, it matters not. ALPA wisely (for them), changed the election cycle to 3 years. You can't do ANY meaningful housecleaning when you have 3 year cycles, and the REAL moving and shaking isn't with the LEC reps anyway...it is inside the committee structure.
With the above said, however, let me give a word of advice to the DPA folks:
You better be ready. You better bring your A game and have your shields up. You'd better have more people and resources than a website and some bag stickers. You don't mess with the cash flow that DAL represents and not expect a full out battle that will be mean and nasty....because it IS about the money, and your hand will be in someone's pocket...the full resources of ALPA National will be turned against you. If you are just three guys with some anger and a intrawebz connection, you will get STEAMROLLED and by doing so, you will sour the pilot group and probably block any chance for reform for at least a decade. It will be worse than if you didn't do anything at all.
And for God's sake, have someone literate working on your communications. Bad grammar and creative spelling makes any effort look like a carnival of dunces no matter how many people say "speeling duddn't count".
Hire Slow, maybe...he seems pretty good at it.
Nu
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09-22-2010, 09:11 AM
#396
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Maybe it has been tried before but what about a combined effort from the other big bitters within alpa (ual, fdx, etc) to hit national squre in the face with change. I am sure it has been done before but am just thinking out loud (well not actually out loud).
If that doesn't work, can't you and T go break some knee-caps
09-22-2010, 09:13 AM
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09-22-2010, 09:15 AM
#398
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That's an interesting theory, but it doesn't match up with what I have observed over many years on the line. Most of the pilots with whom I have been privileged to fly express views that are much closer to what you call the "forum radicals" than they do to your "average pilots".
09-22-2010, 09:20 AM
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Were you even on the property for any of that? Go back to sticking your finger in the dyke. ALPA National is rotten to the core. Time for a change.
09-22-2010, 09:21 AM
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Heyas Carl,
Don't forget TWA.... ALPA went up against the APA...who came out on top?
Seriously, back to your discussion:
The "reform" of ALPA is a moot point. You can vote in whoever you want, in those cases where you have any kind of vote at all.
Look at DALPA.... Good people in the LECs spend the time to put together a resolution, and it is IGNORED by the MEC.
"But", they say, "the few people who show up at a LEC meeting isn't the 'will of the pilot group'". Guess what? NEITHER ARE LEC ELECTIONS!, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT WORKS...ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE AND TAKE THE TIME HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNTED.
Besides, even if you vote for people, it matters not. ALPA wisely (for them), changed the election cycle to 3 years. You can't do ANY meaningful housecleaning when you have 3 year cycles, and the REAL moving and shaking isn't with the LEC reps anyway...it is inside the committee structure.
Nu
Don't forget TWA.... ALPA went up against the APA...who came out on top?
Seriously, back to your discussion:
The "reform" of ALPA is a moot point. You can vote in whoever you want, in those cases where you have any kind of vote at all.
Look at DALPA.... Good people in the LECs spend the time to put together a resolution, and it is IGNORED by the MEC.
"But", they say, "the few people who show up at a LEC meeting isn't the 'will of the pilot group'". Guess what? NEITHER ARE LEC ELECTIONS!, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT WORKS...ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE AND TAKE THE TIME HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNTED.
Besides, even if you vote for people, it matters not. ALPA wisely (for them), changed the election cycle to 3 years. You can't do ANY meaningful housecleaning when you have 3 year cycles, and the REAL moving and shaking isn't with the LEC reps anyway...it is inside the committee structure.
Nu
Carl
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