Delta Pilots Association
01-04-2011, 11:01 AM
#3901
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
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As a junior 88 Captain and DC-9 Captain over the past 4 years, I have had the privilege and pleasure to fly with many of our new hires. Without exception, they have all been outstanding individuals and outstanding aviators. Delta does an excellent job of screening/hiring pilots. Again, go back and re-read my earlier post because you obviously missed and/or did not understand what I was saying.
01-04-2011, 11:32 AM
#3902
Gets Weekends Off
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01-04-2011, 11:35 AM
#3903
done, gone skiing
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
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But all of those pilots were properly qualified and had untainted backgrounds. They wouldn't have made it through the application screening process otherwise. With those backgrounds, the candidate didn't make it through the interview process on a competitive basis. That's life.
A straight merger with an RJ airline would have unqualified and wrong backgrounds joining a major airline. That is not going to happen IMO.
Carl
A straight merger with an RJ airline would have unqualified and wrong backgrounds joining a major airline. That is not going to happen IMO.
Carl
Here is an interesting thought for any managers (or their lawyers) lurking on these boards from airlines that use contractors for their regional aircraft. If your airline interviews a pilot from one of your DCI operators and decides not to hire him/her, can/should that pilot continue to fly in their current capacity with their current employer continuing to fly your passengers??
Maybe this will be easier to understand. Say, Delta interviews a pilot from one of your connection companies, doesn't hire them, they continue to fly for their company, in the service of DAL, and have an accident killing Delta passengers. What will your companies defense be during discovery at the (sure to be lawsuits) when the lawyer's for the families of the deceased find out that Delta Airlines would not hire said pilot but were happy enough to let them fly for a contractor operating on their behalf.
I would not want to be either the lawyer trying to defend that position or a member of the family finding out that the crew at the controls of my love ones were killed by someone the airline would not hire itself but were indifferent to letting fly on a connection flight. Interesting thought.
01-04-2011, 12:04 PM
#3904
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
You're completely missing my point. I would bet that the vast majority of the pilots hired at regionals in recent years with ultra-low time are not the same caliber of individuals as what has traditionally been attracted to this career. How could they be? The career is worth about HALF of what it used to be, and the laws of supply and demand have not been magically suspended. While I'm sure there are exceptions, someone with a lot on the ball and plans for a family is just not going to be able to financially justify this career.
As a junior 88 Captain and DC-9 Captain over the past 4 years, I have had the privilege and pleasure to fly with many of our new hires. Without exception, they have all been outstanding individuals and outstanding aviators. Delta does an excellent job of screening/hiring pilots. Again, go back and re-read my earlier post because you obviously missed and/or did not understand what I was saying.
As a junior 88 Captain and DC-9 Captain over the past 4 years, I have had the privilege and pleasure to fly with many of our new hires. Without exception, they have all been outstanding individuals and outstanding aviators. Delta does an excellent job of screening/hiring pilots. Again, go back and re-read my earlier post because you obviously missed and/or did not understand what I was saying.
As a former LCA I can tell you that the majority of pilots that my former regional hired are great pilots. Maybe a little low on the experience, but they hire a type of person. The ones that cannot make it are asked to resign and apply later. Most do and are rehired a year or two down the road and make great pilots.
This notion that there are a bunch of rookie dolts flying for DCI does not fly. Those years you mention also included a ton of furloughs. Many AA pilots are still at these regional carriers.
01-04-2011, 02:21 PM
#3905
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
I read your post and I gave you a smart aleck response. I can tell you that there are pilots here at DAL that got hired at their regional jobs with less than 300 hrs of total time.
As a former LCA I can tell you that the majority of pilots that my former regional hired are great pilots. Maybe a little low on the experience, but they hire a type of person. The ones that cannot make it are asked to resign and apply later. Most do and are rehired a year or two down the road and make great pilots.
This notion that there are a bunch of rookie dolts flying for DCI does not fly. Those years you mention also included a ton of furloughs. Many AA pilots are still at these regional carriers.
As a former LCA I can tell you that the majority of pilots that my former regional hired are great pilots. Maybe a little low on the experience, but they hire a type of person. The ones that cannot make it are asked to resign and apply later. Most do and are rehired a year or two down the road and make great pilots.
This notion that there are a bunch of rookie dolts flying for DCI does not fly. Those years you mention also included a ton of furloughs. Many AA pilots are still at these regional carriers.
01-04-2011, 02:21 PM
#3906
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
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Assuming all the above to be true, what does that say about who Delta allows to fly your passengers.
Here is an interesting thought for any managers (or their lawyers) lurking on these boards from airlines that use contractors for their regional aircraft. If your airline interviews a pilot from one of your DCI operators and decides not to hire him/her, can/should that pilot continue to fly in their current capacity with their current employer continuing to fly your passengers??
Maybe this will be easier to understand. Say, Delta interviews a pilot from one of your connection companies, doesn't hire them, they continue to fly for their company, in the service of DAL, and have an accident killing Delta passengers. What will your companies defense be during discovery at the (sure to be lawsuits) when the lawyer's for the families of the deceased find out that Delta Airlines would not hire said pilot but were happy enough to let them fly for a contractor operating on their behalf.
I would not want to be either the lawyer trying to defend that position or a member of the family finding out that the crew at the controls of my love ones were killed by someone the airline would not hire itself but were indifferent to letting fly on a connection flight. Interesting thought.
Here is an interesting thought for any managers (or their lawyers) lurking on these boards from airlines that use contractors for their regional aircraft. If your airline interviews a pilot from one of your DCI operators and decides not to hire him/her, can/should that pilot continue to fly in their current capacity with their current employer continuing to fly your passengers??
Maybe this will be easier to understand. Say, Delta interviews a pilot from one of your connection companies, doesn't hire them, they continue to fly for their company, in the service of DAL, and have an accident killing Delta passengers. What will your companies defense be during discovery at the (sure to be lawsuits) when the lawyer's for the families of the deceased find out that Delta Airlines would not hire said pilot but were happy enough to let them fly for a contractor operating on their behalf.
I would not want to be either the lawyer trying to defend that position or a member of the family finding out that the crew at the controls of my love ones were killed by someone the airline would not hire itself but were indifferent to letting fly on a connection flight. Interesting thought.
01-04-2011, 03:30 PM
#3907
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 581
Say, Delta interviews a pilot from one of your connection companies, doesn't hire them, they continue to fly for their company, in the service of DAL, and have an accident killing Delta passengers. What will your companies defense be during discovery at the (sure to be lawsuits) when the lawyer's for the families of the deceased find out that Delta Airlines would not hire said pilot but were happy enough to let them fly for a contractor operating on their behalf.
I would not want to be either the lawyer trying to defend that position or a member of the family finding out that the crew at the controls of my love ones were killed by someone the airline would not hire itself but were indifferent to letting fly on a connection flight. Interesting thought.
I would not want to be either the lawyer trying to defend that position or a member of the family finding out that the crew at the controls of my love ones were killed by someone the airline would not hire itself but were indifferent to letting fly on a connection flight. Interesting thought.
I don't know this to be fact, but I'm quite sure the agreement(s) between Delta and their non-wholly owned connection carriers requires the connection carriers to indemnify DAL from lawsuits related to the connection carriers.
For example, I believe that Colgan had to indemnify Continental, and as such the lawyers representing the plaintiffs suing as a result of the crash in BUF will have a difficult time getting to Continental.
01-04-2011, 04:25 PM
#3908
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
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01-04-2011, 04:36 PM
#3909
done, gone skiing
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
Posts: 1,602
If that is true, it is total BS.
If it were someone I loved, I would go after the airline with knives legally and force that issue into the open. Just putting "sunshine" on that issue would be bad enough. I don't think it would hold up to a rigorous legal challenge. I'd be curious where the Colgan accident is in regards to Continentals defense.
01-04-2011, 05:11 PM
#3910
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Each airline seems to have their own preferences with regard to hiring. When I got hired, DAL liked military guys but at the same time USAIR preferred pilots with a civilian background.
I don't know this to be fact, but I'm quite sure the agreement(s) between Delta and their non-wholly owned connection carriers requires the connection carriers to indemnify DAL from lawsuits related to the connection carriers.
For example, I believe that Colgan had to indemnify Continental, and as such the lawyers representing the plaintiffs suing as a result of the crash in BUF will have a difficult time getting to Continental.
I don't know this to be fact, but I'm quite sure the agreement(s) between Delta and their non-wholly owned connection carriers requires the connection carriers to indemnify DAL from lawsuits related to the connection carriers.
For example, I believe that Colgan had to indemnify Continental, and as such the lawyers representing the plaintiffs suing as a result of the crash in BUF will have a difficult time getting to Continental.
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