Pineapple Guy

More of that DPA version of transparency.

Reroute

OK, from who?

capncrunch

If only they could be like ALPA National.

DAL 88 Driver

Okay, PG. Unless there's something I'm missing, it's looking like DPA is not going to get off the ground. If they were getting the number of cards needed to meet their timeline, then I'm pretty sure we would have all heard about it by now.

So, since you're such a big ALPA fan, why don't you tell us exactly how ALPA intends to restore our profession? How do we achieve something so monumental without even identifying it as our objective? How does ALPA effectively represent mainline pilot jobs and outsourced mainline pilot jobs? Any ideas?

Reroute? sailingfun? ACL? Feel free to chime in too.

Reroute

Complete the statement.

If only they could be like ALPA, their officers would be elected, their finances would be transparent, they'd have a constitution and by laws, they'd have a committee structure(contract administration, training, scheduling, safety, negotiations, strategic planning, etc.), they'd have a representation department, they'd have an engineering and air safety department, they'd have an EF&A department, they'd have a legal department, they'd have professional negotiators, they'd have local representation at all the bases, they'd have an aeromedical department, they'd have a government affairs department and polical action committee, they'd have over $7million in the bank for the Delta pilots, they'd have over $53million in the bank for major contingencies, they'd be ready to represent 12,000 Delta pilots around the world on day one, but DPA doesn't have any of that, just a website.

tsquare

fyp....

and...
I have no idea, because frankly I haven't done the research. But... it would be historical if ALPA had absolutely cornered the market on all thei absolute best services that are to be had on the open market. They must be so good that they were able to obtain these services 20 years ago... and those that provide them are too stupid to realize that they are irreplaceable so they haven't raised their prices... Damn.. I wish I were half the pilot.... And if this is true.. we have the wrong people running the US gubbamint... strike that... we ALL know THAT....

So I gather that you feel that there is NOBODY... and I mean NOBODY that can do a better job than ALPA. Got it. Where can I send the additional money that I should be down on my hands and knees begging the union to take from me so that I can ensure that nothing changes... better yet... can we start a movement to do away with MEMRAT on anything? I mean.. since there is nobody that can do a better job... we shouldn't bugger up the process with piddly little things like allowing input from the membership.

Good grief.. are you really this infused with the koolaid? Don't bother to answer.. we already know.

acl65pilot

ALPA's job is to forward the agenda and majority position of all delta pilots, not just is that care about restoration, or 23K or pay, or a DB etc. It is their job to find the median position and then create a position that is a backstop to their position.

I have told you that many feel that restoration of the profession is a two part process, and you cannot have part of the restoration without the other half. That is why it needs to be a solid foundation in which to move forward from. Will we get what you deem as restoration? Maybe, who knows.

I suspect that as Tim takes office on Saturday many things will begin to roll out. Official direction can then be given to the committee structure and to the negotiations to draft a survey to have us fill out. Nothing is happening right now because the transition of leaders is taking place. On Jan 1st, 2011, that changeover will occur.

I suspect that we will see changes in the direction we all want, but until then, let your reps know where you stand. They are the ones that will be giving the direction to the new admin and neg comm. If you do not like what they are doing, get a consensus and recall them. It is your right. If you can't then you are in the minority of your base.

Democracy does not mean getting your way all of the time. It means that there is a debate. As I have seen debate occurs on many levels of the process. It may not be perfect, and can always have some improvement, but it is the best structure we could ever have.

DAL 88 Driver

I know how you see ALPA... it doesn't need any further explanation and I don't need a lecture on how democracy works. But you completely dodged my questions. Next?

Carl Spackler

Once again you change the subject when confronted with your own words in print. On the one hand you said you would consider a change, then in the very SAME post you say: "I want to see this next section six done, signed and sealed before we would ever seriously contemplate shooting ourselves in the foot."

You do this continually. You make statements to make it look as though you see all sides, but then you unmask yourself by describing a change from ALPA as "shooting ourselves in the foot."

When it comes to you and your posts acl, it's not so much about the facts of the debate, it's about your utterly political comments that show no core values whatsoever. You will never convince anyone to elect you to an ALPA office when you are so transparently political.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I can't tell you any of that. I'm not a DPA insider. But like acl, you change the subject. My post to you was to tell you that you'll always have an excuse as to why it's not a good time to leave ALPA. By dodging the subject of my post, I assume you agree that there will never be a right time to leave ALPA in your mind.

It's looking like DPA will probably not have 51% in time, so you can stop your petty attacks on the organization. You can now resume your attacks on anyone who disagrees with the latest ALPA party line...as soon as you hear what that line is.

Carl