Delta Pilots Association
12-26-2010, 07:35 AM
#3711
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Nope.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
12-26-2010, 08:10 AM
#3712
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B-7ER JFK
Posts: 931
Maybe this will do it?
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path....
You are NOT chosing a path by sending in a card, you are giving another union a chance to be voted in, that's all.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Yes, to create a Union for DELTA pilots, not a business to collect more dues.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
And scope is not?
Unification is the action that provides unity.
That's the reason bedhind DPA..
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
We are not spliting anything, we are creating a union for Delta pilots, by Delta pilots.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
That's right, so send in your card.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
The mission of DPA is to better the lifes of Delta pilots, the mission for ALPA is to create revenue.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path....
You are NOT chosing a path by sending in a card, you are giving another union a chance to be voted in, that's all.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Yes, to create a Union for DELTA pilots, not a business to collect more dues.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
And scope is not?
Unification is the action that provides unity.
That's the reason bedhind DPA..
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
We are not spliting anything, we are creating a union for Delta pilots, by Delta pilots.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
That's right, so send in your card.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
The mission of DPA is to better the lifes of Delta pilots, the mission for ALPA is to create revenue.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
12-26-2010, 08:39 AM
#3713
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,325
Nope.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Last edited by capncrunch; 12-26-2010 at 04:37 PM.
12-26-2010, 08:42 AM
#3714
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Maybe this will do it? Sorry but no.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path....
You are NOT chosing a path by sending in a card, you are giving another union a chance to be voted in, that's all.
Sending in a card IS choosing a path, and not one I want to walk on at this time*.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Yes, to create a Union for DELTA pilots, not a business to collect more dues.
Our MEC and our members ARE the Union for DELTA pilots. Our voices are being heard....Have you not been paying attention to the changes in LEC leadership in all the recent elections? I see real changes occuring, but I haven't given up yet on the pilots of Delta electing the leaders they want.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
And scope is not?
When has ALPA as a national organization loosened scope. The only scope that can be loosened is via the NC bringing a TA to the MEC that contains loosening of scope, the MEC voting in a majority to send the TA to the pilots, and the pilots voting as a majority to accept said TA.
I still don't see how ALPA National has "forced" scope relaxation.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
That's the reason bedhind DPA..
By splintering away from a larger group of pilots?
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
We are not spliting anything, we are creating a union for Delta pilots, by Delta pilots.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A UNION FOR DELTA PILOTS BY DELTA PILOTS!!!!
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
That's right, so send in your card.
I already have that, so submitting a card to vote on LEAVING a union is not in the spirit of promoting UNITY.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
The mission of DPA is to better the lifes of Delta pilots, the mission for ALPA is to create revenue.
I always thought the mission of ALPA was "Schedule with Safety". The purpose of DALPA and the members in good standing of DALPA is to better the lives of Delta pilots utilizing the resources that an umbrella organization provides.
You can't provide services without revenue to pay for said services.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path....
You are NOT chosing a path by sending in a card, you are giving another union a chance to be voted in, that's all.
Sending in a card IS choosing a path, and not one I want to walk on at this time*.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Yes, to create a Union for DELTA pilots, not a business to collect more dues.
Our MEC and our members ARE the Union for DELTA pilots. Our voices are being heard....Have you not been paying attention to the changes in LEC leadership in all the recent elections? I see real changes occuring, but I haven't given up yet on the pilots of Delta electing the leaders they want.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
And scope is not?
When has ALPA as a national organization loosened scope. The only scope that can be loosened is via the NC bringing a TA to the MEC that contains loosening of scope, the MEC voting in a majority to send the TA to the pilots, and the pilots voting as a majority to accept said TA.
I still don't see how ALPA National has "forced" scope relaxation.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
That's the reason bedhind DPA..
By splintering away from a larger group of pilots?
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
We are not spliting anything, we are creating a union for Delta pilots, by Delta pilots.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A UNION FOR DELTA PILOTS BY DELTA PILOTS!!!!
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
That's right, so send in your card.
I already have that, so submitting a card to vote on LEAVING a union is not in the spirit of promoting UNITY.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
The mission of DPA is to better the lifes of Delta pilots, the mission for ALPA is to create revenue.
I always thought the mission of ALPA was "Schedule with Safety". The purpose of DALPA and the members in good standing of DALPA is to better the lives of Delta pilots utilizing the resources that an umbrella organization provides.
You can't provide services without revenue to pay for said services.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
12-26-2010, 09:22 AM
#3716
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
We aren't going to convince each other to change our views given the current situation.
If DALPA fails to change for the better...OR if DALPA makes positive changes to improve:
I am willing to re-evaluate my position.....Are you?
If DALPA fails to change for the better...OR if DALPA makes positive changes to improve:
I am willing to re-evaluate my position.....Are you?
12-26-2010, 10:08 AM
#3717
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
12-26-2010, 10:11 AM
#3718
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Yes. Just wrapping up a 12 day trip. Of my 8 fellow augment crew members on this trip, 4 have already turned in their cards along with money. 3 had never heard of DPA, and are now turning in their cards. 1 was unsure but said he is leaning toward "sticking it out" with ALPA.
Carl
Carl
12-26-2010, 10:32 AM
#3719
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,325
Absolutely. I'm actually hoping this card drive kicks ALPA in the ass and gets them to do something. Not holding my breath though. They have too many eggs stacked in the regional basket. No way around that conflict of interest.
12-26-2010, 02:58 PM
#3720
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Nope.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Haven't been given any good reasons to encourage that behavior. I like solid information before I choose a path...In addition to the all around notion that I personally think it is a bad idea.
DPA wants to split apart from other pilots and the largest pilots' union.
Splitting apart is the exact opposite of unification.
Unification is the action that provides unity.
Unity is the key concept behind the word "union".
A union that splits apart is no longer providing unity.
The mission of a union is to provide unity.
A union that does not fulfill its mission is a failure.
Therefore the idea of DPA is a failure.
"Independent union" is an oxymoron.
Independent union is not necessarily an oxymoron... it is more thank likely a redundant term.. but not oxymoronic...
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