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Old 12-21-2010, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Reroute, this is more in depth, but conveys where my doubts are.

I know for a fact that they are working on a Constitution, which by deductive reasoning means that the rest of the transparency prior to this point has not happened. Just a question.

If anything it proves that sometimes desires are very had to post on a public website for obvious reasons.
Why couldn't they use that huge treasure trove of former ALPA volunteers to just take the ALPA one and cut and paste DPA all over it and be done?

Finally, public info appears on the website! Sadly, it seems to be written by my two-year-old. I am thoroughly confused by the MSP BCR sentence structure choice, amongst others on the site. They finally have public statements from "communicators" and "loyalists" and it's written in non sequiturs? I'm not expert on the english language, but the Testimonials page is a mess.

"Completely aware I was NOT VOTING for a different union, yet, I did know from years of ALPA membership, that there is possibly a different way to go about representing MY interests as a pilot and employee of a successful airline....and not the interest in EVERY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, just the one I work for." - Huh?
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 0RAC
Why couldn't they use that huge treasure trove of former ALPA volunteers to just take the ALPA one and cut and paste DPA all over it and be done?

Finally, public info appears on the website! Sadly, it seems to be written by my two-year-old. I am thoroughly confused by the MSP BCR sentence structure choice, amongst others on the site. They finally have public statements from "communicators" and "loyalists" and it's written in non sequiturs? I'm not expert on the english language, but the Testimonials page is a mess.

"Completely aware I was NOT VOTING for a different union, yet, I did know from years of ALPA membership, that there is possibly a different way to go about representing MY interests as a pilot and employee of a successful airline....and not the interest in EVERY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, just the one I work for." - Huh?
HERETIC! Ye shall be burned at the stake.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:40 PM
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It wouldn't be the first time alpa has bit me in the a$$..

Thanks for the softball...

It may have been a softball, but you definitely crushed it - hilarious!

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Old 12-21-2010, 07:56 PM
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DPA lost me at that silly, fawning "bio" of its would-be founder.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Seems as though they are going to be whining about having to go down to Philadelphia to play in October every year for the next 3-5 years.....


Damn. My White Sox don't have a chance.....
At least they have a better chance than the northside team in your town.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tim123
At least they have a better chance than the northside team in your town.
Northside team????


There is only one baseball team in Chicago. That other team just doesn't get it.....



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Old 12-22-2010, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 0RAC
.........Finally, public info appears on the website! Sadly, it seems to be written by my two-year-old. I am thoroughly confused by the MSP BCR sentence structure choice, amongst others on the site. They finally have public statements from "communicators" and "loyalists" and it's written in non sequiturs? I'm not expert on the english language, but the Testimonials page is a mess........
Is that the best you got? Criticize their language and writing skills instead of thanking them for their effort in making YOUR life better (unless you're a ALPA worker that is...).

Great ! Just send in your card and let the majority win the vote, or are you too scared?
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Is that the best you got? Criticize their language and writing skills instead of thanking them for their effort in making YOUR life better (unless you're a ALPA worker that is...).

Great ! Just send in your card and let the majority win the vote, or are you too scared?
I would not called it scared. It is kind of like taking a case to the jury. Even if you have a better case, proof of burden, etc, in the end it comes down to antics and court room perception. Nothing is ever for certain in a court room, and the same holds true of a representational vote.

If it does come to a vote, so be it. It should not preclude everyone from making their pro/con points along the way.

I have made my case about the cons of an internal union. It concerns itself with the coming threats, and our ability to effectively deal with them. No matter what name is on the door plaque, this next section six, and the International threats coming are way allow us only one time to get it right, and we cannot afford to be working on shoring up our flank and the same time we are fighting these battles. On top of this, it is about unity of a profession. It really cannot get any simpler than that. Over time isolationism has not worked.

The idea of voting the current ALPA out and then seeing ALPA implode to have a new Majors Only ALPA rise from the ashes is a long ball at best. Look no further than the AFA vote where many that did not want AFA were voting yes, to them turn vote them out for IAM.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
Is that the best you got? Criticize their language and writing skills instead of thanking them for their effort in making YOUR life better (unless you're a ALPA worker that is...).

Great ! Just send in your card and let the majority win the vote, or are you too scared?
It's not an attack. I'm looking for a public and open sign from this secret organization that seems to be afraid to show it's cards to the world. It's simple to me, but let's put it this way. You have a company. Your only portal to the world is a website. You claim that you have professionals and great people with lots of experience are running your new company. Your website is already full of spelling errors and grammatical problems and then you let one of your PR people put up testimonials from designated "communicators." The communicator has trouble putting sentences together. As a small business owner, I would do my best to make sure that my website had no errors so that people take me seriously. If I go to a company I have never heard of to buy product and I look at their website and find it full of errors, I click on to another website. I'm looking for a sign to get off the fence on one side or the other. A secret forum and a poorly written website is not a selling point to me, neither is 360 pages of either side just bashing each other and barely 10 pages actually discussing the topic of the thread, but that's off point.

Another testimonial:

"GRR is the home of international powerhouses like Amway and CaseSteel. Amway. "

I lived in the U.P. It's Steelcase not CaseSteel and Amway is on there twice? This is a testimonial from someone who says he went back and spoke to the important customers and heard their complaints. Why would your PR person let that go? Everybody is happy to fact check every single thing ALPA puts out and correct spellings of wall postings in the lounge, but the DPA gets a free ride? This is the website they have invited newspapers and television stations to look at. It boggles my mind.
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
And then there are the haters. Here is a mythical enterprise, that so far has nothing to show but a website and some talk, and yet here people are balling themselves up into hysterics and wrapping themselves in the ALPA flag as if the organization is the raison d'etre, rather than the good of the DAL pilots.
Those using hyperbole...lovers or haters?

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