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09-22-2010, 07:06 AM

#351

DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by NERD

NewKnow has more then a pair. Probably 2-3 pair, should see him in his gold thong on the Minot layovers strutting around the indoor pool

Geez, NERD, you just ruined my breakfast!

09-22-2010, 07:07 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Just curious, Ferd. NWA had experience with an in house FA union and an unaffiliated AMFA mechanics union. How did those great independent ideas work out for their membership?

Seems like Pan Am, Eastern, and Braniff had "experience" with ALPA. How did that International organization's ideas work out for their membership?

I like this "slowplay" logic. It makes posting easy, fun...and you don't have to think very much! Thanks slowplay!!

Carl

09-22-2010, 07:07 AM

#353

Maddog Waddle

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Who is pulling the strings behind DPA?

09-22-2010, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Okay, I admit that I've had to skim a little reading through this thread... especially the really long posts. I'm trying to keep up, but it's tough!

So, I apologize if this has already been posted and I missed it... but exactly what "unintended consequences" are you talking about? Can you provide a list of at least some of these? Since you keep mentioning this over and over, I'd really like for you to clear it up. Otherwise, it comes across potentially as fear mongering. Again, my apologies if you have already covered this and I just missed it.

See up here

09-22-2010, 07:11 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Yes, but isn't that managements trump card to play sort of speaking? Everyone on here keeps asking why ALPA won't do this or that. What I'm trying to say is that what is necessary is also extremely unpopular. No better example is what happened at US airways. ALPA did everything right. Was it unpopular, yes, did it get them ousted, yes, if they could have avoided it altogether would they have; You better believe it. There's your answer as to why ALPA won't do it. Do you really think a new union, one of a different name is going to do what is unpopular to fix the profession?

Newsflash! Fixing SCOPE is popular among members...just not with ALPA national. Simply because ALPA national sees its future growth and dues tied to the regionals.

Carl

09-22-2010, 07:14 AM

#356

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Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle

Who is pulling the strings behind DPA?

This is a concern. They will need to come forward if they want any credability particularly when the Herdon and Virginia Avenue folks start pushing back.

09-22-2010, 07:16 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by 1234

I am all for the discussion and really welcome some change, I just need something that I can get behind and support and not just empty promises of the same thing only worded differently. I am trying to keep an open mind and am holding final judgement until a later time. I just want to know how it is going to be different. What is the vision for something different? Professional negotiators, please.

I want to know what the plan is for me to get more money in my pocket, more time away from work and a more secure future than what I currently have.

Professional negotiators is absolutely the way to go and I'm glad to see it is one of the foundations of this group. What we have now is line pilots who take a few seminars in negotiations and then go up against lawyers that do this for a living.

Professional negotiators taking direction from union leadership which takes direction from the members. The only way to go IMO.

Carl

09-22-2010, 07:20 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by 1234

If we are unified, why can't we make the required changes to national alpa? Don't you think that the regular line pilots at the other airlines that make up alpa aren't just as frustrated?

Change and reform at ALPA national has been tried for DECADES! They've successfully resisted at every turn. My question to you is: What is your suggestion to reform national this time that hasn't already been tried at nauseum??

Carl

09-22-2010, 07:22 AM

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DAL 88 Driver

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Amen! ++++++++

09-22-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle

Who is pulling the strings behind DPA? That is the only answer I need. Thanks

So far its just 3 guys who set up a website. No "string pullers" have been revealed as of yet.
There might not be any.
It appears maybe the DPA founders have just set up an infrastructure for giving the Delta pilots a choice in their representation to see how much interest there really is. If it takes off, they intend to find the future leaders among those who sign up.

That might be the smartest strategy. Set up the legal framework, with very little pre-ordained structure, personnel or policies and let the people who join the movement define all that later.
True grass roots democracy right from the get-go.

Last edited by Check Essential; 09-22-2010 at 07:33 AM.