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Karnak,

Are you just making this up? That's not how it works. When there is a representing agent on the property (In this case ALPA), it's not exclusively up to the company. EVERYTHING has to be negotiated through the agent. They can't even put up security cameras without negotiating and coming to an agreement with ALPA.

The only thing you did was give out bad information.

tsquare

Absolutely. Not only do I expect it.. I demand it. It will be far more than we see from national, I'll bet you that... You act like you know something, yet refuse to provide any specifics... IOW.. you are coming in garbled and stupid. Come back when you can add something to the discussion. All you are now is an amusing diversion from the work I have to do...

NWA320pilot

Sorry bud but you said that having DPA was managements wet dream, why would they not want them to on property if this was the case? We are not talking about who owns the property but rather why if DPA is so good for management they would not allow them to distribute items?

Karnak

That's exactly how it works.

Outside the scope of the PWA, it's entirely up to the company.

Ok, you're really wrong here. Show me the LOA on the pilot lounge cameras. Which section of the contract covers the size and location of the parking lot huts? Who signed the MOU on the size of the v-files?

You complete me.

Karnak

Glad to hear it!

Give us an update of what you're hearing from DPA so far. Who have they retained as counsel? Who are they affiliated with? Who, outside pilots at Delta, is giving them money?

Start demanding.

Risky bet, friend. You know NOTHING about DPA except that they aren't ALPA.

Yes, I do. I know more than you do about who is backing DPA. That's #34 on my list of reasons why I will not send a card it.

I suppose. it comes from typing while shaking my head slowly...in utter disbelief at the dozens (thankfully, no more than dozens) of outspoken geniuses who think the second or third time they see the same movie, it'll end differently.

Old Yeller dies. PFAA died. AMFA died.

Thanks. I think pointing out the unknowns and the gaps are important.

If you don't, then I'm amused.

Karnak

You're confusing two different points.

First, Delta has the right to boot anybody posting or soliciting on their property, unless they are authorized by another agreement. shiz posted the Section 1 language on recognition. When Delta starts granting DPA organizers access to Delta property, the recognized bargaining agent will hammer them.

Second, DPA is now faced with the dilemma of having to show their cards. Those cards will show who they use for legal advice, who is giving them money, and how they'll be structured. It will look a lot like PFAA and AMFA, two other predatory organizations that separated airline employees from national organizations in the name of "transparency and self-interest". I watched it happen, and saw the results. Given those results, Delta management has got to be pleased with the prospect of a weakened pilot group, manipulated by the same losers who created AMFA & PFAA.

sailingfun

DPA is faced with more issues then just that. In their own website they lay out a time line that would be required to gather a war chest and complete the steps necessary to properly represent the pilots in the new contract where openers will be exchanged in about 15 months. Their time line states they expect and need to have the required numbers to call for a vote by 1 Jan. They then need to have the election and be in place as the bargaining agent this summer. Since they provide no data at all about how many cards they have on file one must assume they are not going to meet their own time line. I would assume sometime after 1 Jan they will pull down their operations since they imply they can't provide proper contract representation after that date if they don't have the cards on file.

Splash

Karnak,

Are you referring to McCormick Advisory Group, and Seham Seham Meltz & Peterson, LLP?

I found their relationship with PFAA and AMFA. Are you saying they are working with the DPA?

CVG767A

Karnak, I think your concerns are spot on, and well stated. I'll wait for some specifics before I even think about sending in a card. I'm not expecting to be impressed by who they are, or what their plan is (if they ever divulge it, that is).

Karnak

Yessir.

Hiring a law firm that represents management as your labor counsel rings the Conflict Of Interest bell. I wonder if it will be loud enough to drown out the guys screaming "conflict of interest!" at ALPA?

Nah.

O.V. Delle-Femmne, Kevin McC, and the "professional negotiators" at SSM&P are the Labor equivalent of the Metrodome roof contractors.