Delta Pilots Association
12-18-2010, 06:25 PM
#3544
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B-7ER JFK
Posts: 931
By sending in a card you only set us up for a vote. Then the majority decides, you're not afraid of that, are you? It will only indicate how strong and united we are....
12-18-2010, 06:51 PM
#3545
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
You believe announcing the division among the pilot group is the best way to demonstrate unity? Just prior to Section 6?
Seriously?
I'm not afraid of a majority opinion. I'm afraid of a small group (don't EVEN try to assert majority until your leadership stops sliding the date they believe they'll GET a majority) waving their arms and shouting "We don't want anything to do with ALPA!" just as ALPA starts to negotiate our next contract.
DPA is management's wet dream. Campbell would drive those chumps like yellow gear!
Study the DNA of DPA and you'll see a stark and abundant legacy of FAIL. Are you familiar with the geniuses at PFAA and AMFA? Do some homework and check out who's backing this group...then post all of their successes.
Come up with ANYTHING they have done right.
Ever.
12-19-2010, 05:33 AM
#3546
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
The mother of all non sequiturs!
You believe announcing the division among the pilot group is the best way to demonstrate unity? Just prior to Section 6?
Seriously?
I'm not afraid of a majority opinion. I'm afraid of a small group (don't EVEN try to assert majority until your leadership stops sliding the date they believe they'll GET a majority) waving their arms and shouting "We don't want anything to do with ALPA!" just as ALPA starts to negotiate our next contract.
DPA is management's wet dream. Campbell would drive those chumps like yellow gear!
Study the DNA of DPA and you'll see a stark and abundant legacy of FAIL. Are you familiar with the geniuses at PFAA and AMFA? Do some homework and check out who's backing this group...then post all of their successes.
Come up with ANYTHING they have done right.
Ever.
You believe announcing the division among the pilot group is the best way to demonstrate unity? Just prior to Section 6?
Seriously?
I'm not afraid of a majority opinion. I'm afraid of a small group (don't EVEN try to assert majority until your leadership stops sliding the date they believe they'll GET a majority) waving their arms and shouting "We don't want anything to do with ALPA!" just as ALPA starts to negotiate our next contract.
DPA is management's wet dream. Campbell would drive those chumps like yellow gear!
Study the DNA of DPA and you'll see a stark and abundant legacy of FAIL. Are you familiar with the geniuses at PFAA and AMFA? Do some homework and check out who's backing this group...then post all of their successes.
Come up with ANYTHING they have done right.
Ever.
12-19-2010, 06:25 AM
#3547
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
Its the first sentence in the contract.
PWA
Section 1
SCOPE
A. Recognition
1. In accordance with the certification issued by the National Mediation Board in Case No. R-7191, 36 NMB No. 21, January 22, 2009, the Company recognizes the Air Line Pilots Association, International, as the duly designated and authorized representative of the Flight Deck Crewmembers in the service of the Company for the purposes of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.
Section 1
SCOPE
A. Recognition
1. In accordance with the certification issued by the National Mediation Board in Case No. R-7191, 36 NMB No. 21, January 22, 2009, the Company recognizes the Air Line Pilots Association, International, as the duly designated and authorized representative of the Flight Deck Crewmembers in the service of the Company for the purposes of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.
Bold is mine.
The company cannot legally allow any other prospective bargaining agent do anything on property or they would be in violation of the very first first thing in the contract.
Emotion is not a strategy.
12-19-2010, 09:04 AM
#3548
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
There's a disconnect here, and you need to clue up to it.
The DPA would fully expect similar language in their contract to protect themselves from the perpetually pi$$ed pilots who succumb to the sweet cooing from the likes of the DPA puppetmasters.
Supporters of the DPA need to start providing some answers. The "I want things to be different. Don't you want things to be different? National organizations can't be different!" organizing mantra is the same flimsy hooey AMFA and PFAA used to lure their employee groups to failure.
Oh yeah...sign me up for some of THAT!!
12-19-2010, 09:11 AM
#3549
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
The way I read that was that the company has to deal with ALPA for all contract concerns. I didn't see anything that said they couldn't allow campaigning from a competing entity for our business. If you read it that way, why is it that ALPA can't write a scope clause that protects DELTA pilots that is as iron clad? They surely seem to be able to protect their own fiefdom, yet cannot protect that of it's constituents. Funny how that works.
12-19-2010, 09:18 AM
#3550
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
I am not an attorney but I don't believe that this says the DPA cannot do anything on DAL property.
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