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Old 12-07-2010, 01:23 PM
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You guys got took on C2K. The suits saw you coming and offered you huge raises for work rule concessions and scope language. They saw the recession coming and had CH11 in their sights. 9/11 only accelerated the decline in the economy and moved up the plans. They knew they could get the pay back but the rules and scope were gone forever.

For someone who rails against evil management and gives them omnipotent powers to screw with you I'm surprised you don't see that.
Totally wrong. NWA struck in 98 and got industry leading pay. The strike cost NWA a billion dollars and pushed the CEO over to Burger King. United pilots used a similar strike threat to sign the new industry leading contract next. Delta said they wanted United plus, and got it.

"The suits saw you coming"?... now that's funny.

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Old 12-07-2010, 01:27 PM
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Just got polled by the MEC. Looks like they are worried about DPA. The entire instrument seemed designed to test the anti-national attitudes of our group.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tab Flyer
Just got polled by the MEC. Looks like they are worried about DPA. The entire instrument seemed designed to test the anti-national attitudes of our group.
Good. They should be worried.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tab Flyer
Just got polled by the MEC. Looks like they are worried about DPA. The entire instrument seemed designed to test the anti-national attitudes of our group.
Interesting. Have you finalized your opinion of the DPA yet?

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Old 12-07-2010, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Leverage comes from a unified pilot group willing to strike for an industry leading contract for the pilots of the world's largest airline. You wouldn't be part of that obviously.
First the pilot group has to be relevant. Arguably, Lufthansia has outsourced enough to be irrelevant. We are still relevant, but if represented by DPA I'm not sure our codeshare partners would hold our line.

The Spirit strike was a big deal. Spirit tried to fly through their pilots' strike and ALPA's line held. Management was forced back to the table because of ALPA's stranglehold.

As a strike veteran (which I respect immensely), do you think DPA can hold a line like ALPA just did?
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tab Flyer
Just got polled by the MEC. Looks like they are worried about DPA. The entire instrument seemed designed to test the anti-national attitudes of our group.
Which is ironic. We are against national because of contracts we voted for ... go figure.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Which is ironic. We are against national because of contracts we voted for ... go figure.
Not really. I don't think that is it at all. I think that when people found out that secretaries at national make more than many FOs.. and that Prater took home 4oo large.. I think that is what is doing it. I know that is what did it for me anyway.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:58 PM
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Sounds like a Poll about perception.

Interesting......
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
First the pilot group has to be relevant. Arguably, Lufthansia has outsourced enough to be irrelevant. We are still relevant, but if represented by DPA I'm not sure our codeshare partners would hold our line.

The Spirit strike was a big deal. Spirit tried to fly through their pilots' strike and ALPA's line held. Management was forced back to the table because of ALPA's stranglehold.

As a strike veteran (which I respect immensely), do you think DPA can hold a line like ALPA just did?
Which ALPA stranglehold was that? The Spirit pilot's ALPA.. or ALPA national? I don't think national did bupkis to change management's mind other than issue a few "We support you guys" letters... Naaaah.. when the revenue trickled to a halt, THAT is what got their attention. All of that done by the Spirit pilots.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Sounds like a Poll about perception.

Interesting......
Worried are we?
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