Delta Pilots Association
12-01-2010, 04:48 AM
#3151
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Flying the SEC
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I don't give a flying Flip what SWA makes or anybody else for that matter. I don't care what you made in 2000, 1993, or 1963 for that matter. It has absolutely no relevance to today. What I do care about is what I make for the next 15 years. 5 years of ZERO and 10 years of C2K rates does me no good.
I am beginning my peak earning years. I've got so many years to earn enough to live the rest of my life. 5 years of un or underemployment kills me and thousands of other junior Delta pilots. That's 5 years of lost compounding interest in a DC plan. You cannot recover from that.
Be a man, suck it up, take the furlough. Nice attitude for guys touting a new union that is supposed to represent Delta Pilots. Sounds like it's going to represent senior Delta pilots at the expense of everyone else. How would you react if I said (and had the power to affect it) "Suck it up, be a man, lower your standard of living and live within your means!"
As a free market conservative I don't believe in a finite pie theory in a macroeconomic system. However, in this microeconomic system that is Delta Air Lines, there is a finite amount of money that will be allocated to labor costs. Those of you who think that labor costs are insignificant are living in Candy Land. You raise the cost of labor by two billion and something is going to give. You senior guys who think you are immune to scope loss, beware. Every new member of Skyteam is a dagger pointed at your 777/747 seat. They don't even need to change the contract to do that. Look at JFK-CDG.
We don't live in a vacuum. Price yourselves out of the market and you will suffer. Swa is a small part of our market, BTW. The US legacies are a part and so is every other Skyteam member. You know how much I wan't? $1 less than KLM/Air France.
I am beginning my peak earning years. I've got so many years to earn enough to live the rest of my life. 5 years of un or underemployment kills me and thousands of other junior Delta pilots. That's 5 years of lost compounding interest in a DC plan. You cannot recover from that.
Be a man, suck it up, take the furlough. Nice attitude for guys touting a new union that is supposed to represent Delta Pilots. Sounds like it's going to represent senior Delta pilots at the expense of everyone else. How would you react if I said (and had the power to affect it) "Suck it up, be a man, lower your standard of living and live within your means!"
As a free market conservative I don't believe in a finite pie theory in a macroeconomic system. However, in this microeconomic system that is Delta Air Lines, there is a finite amount of money that will be allocated to labor costs. Those of you who think that labor costs are insignificant are living in Candy Land. You raise the cost of labor by two billion and something is going to give. You senior guys who think you are immune to scope loss, beware. Every new member of Skyteam is a dagger pointed at your 777/747 seat. They don't even need to change the contract to do that. Look at JFK-CDG.
We don't live in a vacuum. Price yourselves out of the market and you will suffer. Swa is a small part of our market, BTW. The US legacies are a part and so is every other Skyteam member. You know how much I wan't? $1 less than KLM/Air France.
12-01-2010, 05:53 AM
#3152
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
I don't give a flying Flip what SWA makes or anybody else for that matter. I don't care what you made in 2000, 1993, or 1963 for that matter. It has absolutely no relevance to today. What I do care about is what I make for the next 15 years. 5 years of ZERO and 10 years of C2K rates does me no good.
Me me me me me me me me me me me. If you are junior at any airline, particularly in today's environment where one semi intelligent terrorist attack will put you on the street indefinitely...you better have a plan B on the shelf.
10-20 % from the bottom will not save you. Ask the FM I & II guys and girls.
In the mean time, enjoy your personal race to the bottom.
12-01-2010, 06:29 AM
#3153
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
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.....Yes, the bankers do own our company. The largest shareholder is reportedly Fidelity, at 13.2%. I think AMEX owns a chunk too. The investors that provided the financing to exit Ch11 want to get paid, too. We made around 2 billion profit this year, did we not? As previously stated C2K would raise pilot pay costs by 2 billion. Where do you think they are going to recoup that money? They are not just going to say, "oh well, it's a cost of doing business, and darn it, those guys deserve it!"
I DON'T WANT TO GET PAID THE MOST! I WANT TO GET PAID THE LONGEST!
I DON'T WANT TO GET PAID THE MOST! I WANT TO GET PAID THE LONGEST!
The company knew then that we would eventually want to get back what we lost. Let's see if they can figure it out. Just like some of us figured out how to live on 50% less pay, anything is possible. But, we have to ask.
I don't see any of the "bankers" ever back down from "asking" for what they want and somehow they and the company always work something out that is mutually beneficial to them both.
In a sense we are creditors just like the bankers. We should take notes from them. I'm sure the first thing on their list is, "ask for what we want." And the second is, "Act like you want it."
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12-01-2010, 08:18 AM
#3154
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Flying the SEC
Posts: 2,350
Me me me me me me me me me me me. If you are junior at any airline, particularly in today's environment where one semi intelligent terrorist attack will put you on the street indefinitely...you better have a plan B on the shelf.
10-20 % from the bottom will not save you. Ask the FM I & II guys and girls.
In the mean time, enjoy your personal race to the bottom.
10-20 % from the bottom will not save you. Ask the FM I & II guys and girls.
In the mean time, enjoy your personal race to the bottom.
12-01-2010, 08:32 AM
#3155
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
I thought this thread was about DPA ? If I'm going to vote for a change I want to hear what this new group is going to do and how they are going to do it, so far all I read is the same few people bashing ALPA and while I agree that is an easy target, that is not what will inspire me to vote for a change. When I compare similar independent unions (legacy) I see 2 very ineffective organizations that have accomplished nothing in the past years. How is DPA going to be different ?
12-01-2010, 08:43 AM
#3156
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Position: 7ERB, no M88, no 7ER, no A320, NEXT!
Posts: 397
I thought this thread was about DPA ? If I'm going to vote for a change I want to hear what this new group is going to do and how they are going to do it, so far all I read is the same few people bashing ALPA and while I agree that is an easy target, that is not what will inspire me to vote for a change. When I compare similar independent unions (legacy) I see 2 very ineffective organizations that have accomplished nothing in the past years. How is DPA going to be different ?
DPA will go nowhere. To date they haven't said anything other than "we want to replace ALPA." That ain't gonna get me off my ass to turn in a card.
If you want to generate some interest, tell us what you will do differently and don't make me turn in a card just to gain access to your website and forums. I want to learn about your goals before I decide to turn in a card.
12-01-2010, 09:40 AM
#3158
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DPA will go nowhere. To date they haven't said anything other than "we want to replace ALPA." That ain't gonna get me off my ass to turn in a card.
If you want to generate some interest, tell us what you will do differently and don't make me turn in a card just to gain access to your website and forums. I want to learn about your goals before I decide to turn in a card.
If you want to generate some interest, tell us what you will do differently and don't make me turn in a card just to gain access to your website and forums. I want to learn about your goals before I decide to turn in a card.
That being the case, I'd rather throw it away on a new DPA than old ALPA.
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