Carl Spackler

You can't handle a plan!

No you don't. You always want us to work for less than our industry peers so that Delta keeps a competitive cost advantage. Just say it sailingfun. Confession is good for the soul.

Where's your plan! That's not a plan! I don't see a plan! All I see is chest thumping and stomping your feet like a 3 year old!

Sorry...couldn't resist.

Yeah, you got us figured out. Despite the pointed plans that any of us post, what we're really saying is that we just want to hold our breath til we turn blue.

Nobody can show you such a path. You are so dead set against restoration, you can only resist such a plan.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Item 1 and 2 are the demands. Items 3, 4, and 5 is the plan to get there. At least we all understand that you'll refuse to see a plan even when one is posted for you.

That attempt had nothing to do with reigning in the NMB and you know it. Item 3 is not being attempted at all yet. That's another big strike against ALPA national. ALPA should be teaming up with the Teamsters, SEIU, and all other AFL-CIO affiliates to fight this in the Congress. We should push for a national suspension of service day from ALL the above unions to get Congress to act. Either labor has national clout or we don't. ALPA is too afraid to even find out.

I thought you said there was no plan?

The rest of this paragraph says it all. You've already decided how Delta management will act, and how the NMB will act - so we've already lost. Since we've already lost, your plan is to beg for table scraps. If begging for table scraps is all you and ALPA national have to offer, let's keep those union dues in our own pocket. Let's realize that Delta is a 100% non-union airline. Let's stop the charade of DALPA being anything other than an organization to make Delta pilots feel better about surrendering and eating table scraps.

Carl

Carl Spackler

To all the lurkers from APA and UAL/CAL, please understand that most Delta pilots do NOT feel this way. These guys that advocate letting you do our fighting are RJ guys with a couple years seniority. They're only concerned about getting furloughed or any interruption to their paychecks. They've never known a contract other than an RJ contract or a major contract created in bankruptcy. They know not what they do.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

And that sums up DALPA under the LM philosophy about as well as anything I've seen.

NWA320pilot

Then BOB would rear his ugly head....... Ever hear of BOB? If not do a little asking around to your Northern brethren. We as pilots have a lot more leverage than you give credit.

Carl Spackler

Now the only question is: what do we do about it?

I think DALPA/ALPA is hopelessly broken. Delta management has successfully co-opted them into thinking like management through the use of secret data and non-disclosure agreements.

I think the evidence is clear that we must split from ALPA and create a DPA. We must then join forces with the other major independents, as well as the Teamsters, SEIU and all other unions that will join us to fight the NMB. This more than anything else will show Delta management that there is a new sheriff in town.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

Unfortunately, I think you're right, Carl. Sailingfun, ACL, et al. convince me even more with just about every post.

satchip

This thread is so much easier to read with Carl on the ignore list.

Sink r8

I was curious to try it out, and read the last few pages of the thread without Carl, and clicked on his name name because I couldn't remember how it's done. One of the things that stood out was the column called "friends".

It says "Carl has not made any friends yet".

I don't care who you are, that is funny.

DAL 88 Driver

Friend request just sent.

You guys are unbelievable.