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11-24-2010, 09:42 AM

#2931

tomgoodman

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And don't chicken out

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Like some have said, squeeze the chicken's neck, but by God do not choke him to deal since we rely on the chicken.

I must call a "fowl" on that reference. Fred Dubinsky (UALPA) allegedly said: "We don't want to kill the golden goose; we just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg."

11-24-2010, 09:45 AM

#2932

acl65pilot

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Very good Tom, but the point remains the same.

How is retirement treating ya?

11-24-2010, 09:46 AM

#2933

Pineapple Guy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Use your imagination if you have one. Picture a stock graph of Google or Apple. Long term steady upward movement, with a relatively small dip along the way up. Only a drama queen like you would call that boom and bust.

Carl

I WISH our career resembled Google or Apple. But why don't we use something more appropriate. How does your argument look when presented with facts?

MD-88 Inflation adjusted rates

11-24-2010, 09:55 AM

#2934

acl65pilot

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That is the "Inconvenient Truth" PG. We all would like it to be different.

Our goal is to get that trend line to move upwards and make it sustainable in good times and bad. It requires thinking outside the box. Some could care less.

It is about setting the foundation for better tomorrow's that will last well beyond the careers of the youngest pilots here which will retire near 2050. Yes, almost 40 years from now. Lets leave them something they can build upon when we are gone, not our mess. I am willing to sign on for that.

11-24-2010, 09:59 AM

#2935

tomgoodman

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Highly recommend it

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

How is retirement treating ya?

Ahhh! Just fine, and it gets better every time I pick up a newspaper. Wish the same for all of you guys. Happy Thanksgiving!

11-24-2010, 10:15 AM

#2936

acl65pilot

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Happy Thanksgiving to you Tom. I wish I was in your position. Home is soooooo much better than the road!

Off to work for the next few days. (Gotta get my Turkey bag lunch tomorrow)

11-24-2010, 10:21 AM

#2937

slowplay

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Hey, direction is important. Make one wrong turn out of HKG and what happens to years of an unblemished career? Is that drama?

11-24-2010, 10:24 AM

#2938

Pineapple Guy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Our goal is to get that trend line to move upwards and make it sustainable in good times and bad. It requires thinking outside the box. Some could care less.

It is about setting the foundation for better tomorrow's that will last well beyond the careers of the youngest pilots here which will retire near 2050. Yes, almost 40 years from now. Lets leave them something they can build upon when we are gone, not our mess. I am willing to sign on for that.

Absolutely. And the senior guys will be here ready to help. But first, we need to acknowledge reality, and understand WHY we are where we are, before we can begin to recoup what we've lost.

11-24-2010, 10:39 AM

#2939

newKnow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Absolutely. And the senior guys will be here ready to help. But first, we need to acknowledge reality, and understand WHY we are where we are, before we can begin to recoup what we've lost.

Ok. Instead of me posting another long post that pretty much says the same thing, will you please explain how we got here and what you want to do?

Serious. I'm listening and trying to be objective.

My long response to acl is saved to Word though.

11-24-2010, 10:45 AM

#2940

Pineapple Guy

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Ok. Instead of me posting another long post that pretty much says the same thing, will you please explain how we got here and what you want to do?

Serious. I'm listening and trying to be objective.

First, reference my picture of MD88 rates above. Then ask yourself why that is the trend line? And please don't forget, that in general, DAL has been at or near the top of the industry (as has NWA) during this same period. Possible answers:

1) ALPA caved at every chance
2) We are all weaklings
3) Deregulation was a paradigm shift and our rates are simply migrating toward "market rates"

If you picked 1 or 2, you might as well quit reading -- we'll never agree on anything.

If you acknowledge 3 is the likely culprit, then at least we have a frame of reference going forward.