Delta Pilots Association
11-23-2010, 06:47 AM
#2851
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
acl, great post, which I didn't quote in its entirety. But you are spot on EXCEPT what you say above. APA ISN'T fighting the good fight -- they're fighting an emotional one, and as a result, have accomplished nothing. It sure feels good to pound your chest, but in the end all you end up with is a sore chest.
I want more money, just like they do. But screaming doesn't get you more. Just ask yourself how that works with your own 3 year old...
I want more money, just like they do. But screaming doesn't get you more. Just ask yourself how that works with your own 3 year old...
You are correct, I should have expanded as I did in the post below. I admire their unity, no matter what it is based on. They needed after the TWA takeover. Mo Betta?
11-23-2010, 07:17 AM
#2852
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
acl's post was dead on accurate (except the part about admiring the APA group; I don't). But I've got words for you -- no one that matters cares what we USED to get paid; or that we sacrificed a lot. We are where we are; and we will achieve what we can achieve. How that compares to what we USED to be able to achieve, or USED to get paid, is totally irrelevant.
And if we demand "full restoration" but can't obtain it, in the present legal and economic climate what have we achieved? I'm not saying we can't achieve full restoration, it will depend on DAL's financial condition and other airline's pilot payrates, as well as the economic conditions at the time. We might get it, we might get more, we might get less. But looking in the rear view mirror to hit a target will pretty much guarantee you aren't going to hit it!
This was not an insult but rather an observation. When did being in management of the best airline in the world or being head of the largest pilots union become an insult?
11-23-2010, 07:24 AM
#2853
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Look in the mirror, and tell yourself that. But I don't believe you.
It's not. But if you can look in the mirror and HONESTY say it was not intended as such, then I apologize. IF...
11-23-2010, 07:25 AM
#2854
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
acl's post was dead on accurate (except the part about admiring the APA group; I don't). But I've got words for you -- no one that matters cares what we USED to get paid; or that we sacrificed a lot. We are where we are; and we will achieve what we can achieve. How that compares to what we USED to be able to achieve, or USED to get paid, is totally irrelevant.
And if we demand "full restoration" but can't obtain it, in the present legal and economic climate what have we achieved? I'm not saying we can't achieve full restoration, it will depend on DAL's financial condition and other airline's pilot payrates, as well as the economic conditions at the time. We might get it, we might get more, we might get less. But looking in the rear view mirror to hit a target will pretty much guarantee you aren't going to hit it!
And if we demand "full restoration" but can't obtain it, in the present legal and economic climate what have we achieved? I'm not saying we can't achieve full restoration, it will depend on DAL's financial condition and other airline's pilot payrates, as well as the economic conditions at the time. We might get it, we might get more, we might get less. But looking in the rear view mirror to hit a target will pretty much guarantee you aren't going to hit it!
.. and you guys wonder why DPA is gaining momentum...
11-23-2010, 07:30 AM
#2856
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
As much as I hate to admit it, I think your post is spot on. I am willing to bet that in the 15 years I have remaining, I will NEVER see the same dollar per hour rate on the -ER that we had in C2K. Nevermind inflation... we won't have even the same rate/hour. It's logical. We now have 1990 payrates... 20 years later... it would follow that we won't have 2002 rates in 2025...
.. and you guys wonder why DPA is gaining momentum...
.. and you guys wonder why DPA is gaining momentum...
11-23-2010, 07:31 AM
#2857
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
11-23-2010, 07:32 AM
#2858
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
As much as I hate to admit it, I think your post is spot on. I am willing to bet that in the 15 years I have remaining, I will NEVER see the same dollar per hour rate on the -ER that we had in C2K. Nevermind inflation... we won't have even the same rate/hour. It's logical. We now have 1990 payrates... 20 years later... it would follow that we won't have 2002 rates in 2025...
.. and you guys wonder why DPA is gaining momentum...
.. and you guys wonder why DPA is gaining momentum...
11-23-2010, 07:33 AM
#2859
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
Apology accepted.
11-23-2010, 07:34 AM
#2860
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
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