Delta Pilots Association
11-22-2010, 10:43 PM
#2831
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
I've known PCL for quite a few years and know he is a very nice guy, but when he says stuff like that about the strikes.. it's laughable.
When this administration took office he touted how we would all be able to strike and had a true friend in office... towing the line of the union as usual. As usual, this was wrong and always will be.
When this administration took office he touted how we would all be able to strike and had a true friend in office... towing the line of the union as usual. As usual, this was wrong and always will be.
You might be on to something here Clamp. Interesting insight.
Carl
11-23-2010, 03:35 AM
#2832
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 737/reclined
Posts: 128
come on guys.... please please please find a spot for PCL 128 in your next class.
We will even pony up our "BONE US" checks to help things move along and help to defer the costs of his over sized uniform and hat!!!
We will even pony up our "BONE US" checks to help things move along and help to defer the costs of his over sized uniform and hat!!!
11-23-2010, 03:40 AM
#2833
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Why is he even posting on this thread?
If there was a thread that AA pilots had started to switch from APA to ALPA, I probably wouldn't even open it, let alone comment on it.
He has a right to free speech, but beyond a point the posts are suspect.
11-23-2010, 03:55 AM
#2834
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,919
I don't agree. Now, if you go in demanding "full restoration" on date of signing and refuse to budge, then yeah, you're absolutely right that the NMB won't release you to strike, because Delta can't afford to pay $2 billion in improvements in the first year. But if you go in with something that the company can afford, then it benefits the NMB to provide a release if negotiations don't produce an agreement, because a release will almost certainly lead to a TA, and that clears a high profile case off of the NMB's docket and makes them look like heroes.
Do we take the company's word for it?
Do we as a pilot group determine what the company can afford?
Does the NMB make that decision?
By your rationale, we, as a group, should unanimously agree to the first offer presented to us from ALPA on behalf of the company. So at that point, we aren't really negotiating are we?
You are saying that we should be realistic about our demands, but the same can be said about management.
Keeping on tempo with this thread, I have little to no faith with regard to what ALPA National will be able to negotiate for us. I mean at the end of the day I put my faith in the reps at our company and hope their loyalties lie with their constituents and not their fellow ALPA brethren.
I think this management team realizes the importance of keeping its' employees on the same side, that being said, this will be the first contract negotiation with this management team and it will be following some profitable quarters if the trend continues.
Talking of a strike is as premature as deciding what spend all your money on after the 2012 contract.
11-23-2010, 03:59 AM
#2835
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Good question! On top of that he has come to dominate the thread. Nothing like having an ALPA insider from another airline come to tell us all how it is. Maybe we should all head over to the Air Tran thread and tell them how a staple is in their best interest.
11-23-2010, 04:01 AM
#2836
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 1,166
I don't agree. Now, if you go in demanding "full restoration" on date of signing and refuse to budge, then yeah, you're absolutely right that the NMB won't release you to strike, because Delta can't afford to pay $2 billion in improvements in the first year. But if you go in with something that the company can afford, then it benefits the NMB to provide a release if negotiations don't produce an agreement, because a release will almost certainly lead to a TA, and that clears a high profile case off of the NMB's docket and makes them look like heroes.
11-23-2010, 04:04 AM
#2838
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Congrats! You found the second black helicopter. Told you this guy was suspect.
11-23-2010, 04:12 AM
#2840
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
And not a comment from any of you (until prompted) when the board's terms of service were being violated by one of the prolific posters that shares your point of view. Kind of hypocritical feigned outrage you posted in that light, no?Subtract all the posts by Spackler, then compare it to anyone else on the board. What was your point on domination?
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