Delta Pilots Association
11-22-2010, 06:26 PM
#2801
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
The same one the real AirTran pilots will pick ...... SWAPA.
Would you like to see a substantive example of PCL128 and his lawyers recent work ? Take a close look at the AirTran TA and the process leading up to it. The rest is rhetoric.
AirTran pilots have seen what ALPA produces; "Vote for it because we can't do any better, and we won't get another chance"
Would you like to see a substantive example of PCL128 and his lawyers recent work ? Take a close look at the AirTran TA and the process leading up to it. The rest is rhetoric.
AirTran pilots have seen what ALPA produces; "Vote for it because we can't do any better, and we won't get another chance"
Carl
11-22-2010, 06:32 PM
#2802
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
11-22-2010, 06:36 PM
#2803
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Then the NWA board of directors showed the CEO what a new job running Burger King looks like.
Carl
11-22-2010, 06:38 PM
#2804
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
We are close to the top of a BK contract! We are no longer in BK and we have shed tons of fat ($$) from all phases of DAL we need to reset the bar back to where it was not compare it to BK contracts. Also we do NOT need anybody else to do the legwork (UCAL & AMR). We are a successful and profitable company and DAL wouldn't be where it is without the sacrifices made us, for us to expect anything less is very short sighted.
YES!!!!!
Carl
11-22-2010, 06:39 PM
#2805
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Carl;
You are so good at putting words in my mouth.
What I said was the company would drag out a section six until the demands caught up with inflation. Not that I was for that. Big difference. It you took it that way or I typed it that way, I apologize.
You are so good at putting words in my mouth.
What I said was the company would drag out a section six until the demands caught up with inflation. Not that I was for that. Big difference. It you took it that way or I typed it that way, I apologize.
11-22-2010, 06:41 PM
#2807
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
"after the SLI". ? 
No. ALPA would be voted off property now based on the TA that was forced down the pilots throats.
The only hitch is the fact that we need a bargaining unit to represent us during the SLI and transition negotiation. We are hoping that ALPA manages to cast off its history of incompetence during SLI's. The exception being DAL/NWA.
AirTran is the classic example that disproves the theory that "we mustn't change our union structure at this vital juncture". It's always a 'vital juncture' until it's too late.
History, both ancient and recent can be a wonderful teacher. The recent failures of both AirTran and Spirit to achieve even industry standard CBA's is lesson enough.
I wish DAL pilots all the luck in the world. I say this without any reservation.
No. ALPA would be voted off property now based on the TA that was forced down the pilots throats.
The only hitch is the fact that we need a bargaining unit to represent us during the SLI and transition negotiation. We are hoping that ALPA manages to cast off its history of incompetence during SLI's. The exception being DAL/NWA.
AirTran is the classic example that disproves the theory that "we mustn't change our union structure at this vital juncture". It's always a 'vital juncture' until it's too late.
History, both ancient and recent can be a wonderful teacher. The recent failures of both AirTran and Spirit to achieve even industry standard CBA's is lesson enough.
I wish DAL pilots all the luck in the world. I say this without any reservation.
Carl
11-22-2010, 06:51 PM
#2808
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Recovering Airline Pilot
Posts: 460
PCL,
You're wrong about the DAL 737 rates.
I was hired by DAL in 1990 and for some reason I still have a copy of all the DAL pay rates at that time.
Here they are:
02 Mar 90 737-200 (the -300 was slightly more)
$148.45
01 Sep 92 737-200
$155.88
01 Aug 94 737-200
$158.99 (That's 20 bucks an hour more than your number)
It's also $30.00 an hour more than SWA.
DAL's hourly rate was more than 20% greater than SWA's. I consider that significant.
You're wrong about the DAL 737 rates.
I was hired by DAL in 1990 and for some reason I still have a copy of all the DAL pay rates at that time.
Here they are:
02 Mar 90 737-200 (the -300 was slightly more)
$148.45
01 Sep 92 737-200
$155.88
01 Aug 94 737-200
$158.99 (That's 20 bucks an hour more than your number)
It's also $30.00 an hour more than SWA.
DAL's hourly rate was more than 20% greater than SWA's. I consider that significant.
Really? That TA was ratified by 87% of the pilot group. You're part of a distinct minority, my friend.
11-22-2010, 07:03 PM
#2809
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Well acl, I don't put words in people's mouths. Here is what you actually posted:
Nothing I have seen is preaching what you post. Maybe they do not want to pour on the rhetoric but that is probably it. Most of the guys I talk to probably want a lot more than the restoration you seek. The difference is that they do not want to make demands that they KNOW will not be met until inflation catches up with these demands. It is about playing hit and run ball, not trying for home run after home run.
I didn't take it that way...you typed it that way. If you now realize that was a destructive thing to this pilot group's expectations and you are now sorry for it, then that's good. Just stop the constant degradation of this pilot group's expectations. It makes you look terribly weak and a management wannabe.
But don't ever say that I put words into your mouth.
Carl
11-22-2010, 07:04 PM
#2810
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Thanks. Not sure why the charts I have are incorrect, but your data backs up acl65's point even better. The SWA pilots are certainly doing quite well now, but for most of their history, they significantly lagged the ALPA majors.
The right for airline workers to strike is contained entirely within the RLA. There is no other law that provides such a right. And the RLA is quite clear, that ONLY the NMB has the authority to release a party into self help. There is no additional oversight. Sure, Congress can always change the RLA, but neither the President nor the courts can force the NMB to release anyone. They have the ultimate discretion in what action to take.
Really? That TA was ratified by 87% of the pilot group. You're part of a distinct minority, my friend.
The right for airline workers to strike is contained entirely within the RLA. There is no other law that provides such a right. And the RLA is quite clear, that ONLY the NMB has the authority to release a party into self help. There is no additional oversight. Sure, Congress can always change the RLA, but neither the President nor the courts can force the NMB to release anyone. They have the ultimate discretion in what action to take.
Really? That TA was ratified by 87% of the pilot group. You're part of a distinct minority, my friend.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lbell911
Regional
23
04-22-2012 10:33 AM
