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11-22-2010, 09:54 AM
#2771
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The same one the real AirTran pilots will pick ...... SWAPA.
Would you like to see a substantive example of PCL128 and his lawyers recent work ? Take a close look at the AirTran TA and the process leading up to it. The rest is rhetoric.
AirTran pilots have seen what ALPA produces; "Vote for it because we can't do any better, and we won't get another chance".
11-22-2010, 10:29 AM
#2772
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
the same one the real airtran pilots will pick ...... Swapa.
Would you like to see a substantive example of pcl128 and his lawyers recent work ? Take a close look at the airtran ta and the process leading up to it. The rest is rhetoric.
Airtran pilots have seen what alpa produces; "vote for it because we can't do any better, and we won't get another chance".
Would you like to see a substantive example of pcl128 and his lawyers recent work ? Take a close look at the airtran ta and the process leading up to it. The rest is rhetoric.
Airtran pilots have seen what alpa produces; "vote for it because we can't do any better, and we won't get another chance".
11-22-2010, 10:51 AM
#2773
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Your numbers are right in line with what I expect on the next contract. Someone did a fairly detailed calculation on restoration on the other forum. His number needed for a full restoration was about a 65 percent raise. In addition going back to all the old work rules ect.. would require another 3000 pilots on the list. We went from a 600 average block hour per pilot to 800 hours with the 1113 contract.
This one?
Here is the Inflation YOY since 2004:
Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present
Put the link so you can verify the source
2004: 2.68
2005: 3.39
2006: 3.24
2007: 2.85
2008: 3.85
2009: -0.34
For a grand total of 15.67% total inflation since the start of 2004. (liner non compounding math used.) Compounding annually equals about 16.61%
So what you are asking for on Jan 1, 2013 is this:
Lets use 2012 777/744A pay and compare it to 2004 C2K 777 pay of 319 an hr
319-225= 94 dollars per hr up front plus a 15.67% increase on the 319 figure to equal 368.99 per hr from our book of 225, or a 64% increase, correct? (or 65%)
Math 319-225= 94 bump plus inflation=
319x 1.1567=368.99 per hr (or the other way 371.99 per hr)
368.99-225.00= 143.99 per hr immediate increase. (371.99-225= 146.99)
Lets just extrapolate that out a little as well. 5% last year was equal to 90 million. 4% next year is equal to 75 million. Without computing the non-linear data for the next two pay bumps that would equate to a 18-18.75 million dollar per percent increase in the total value of the PWA without costing out more retirement and or work rule improvements.
We on the same page?
We will use 18 million for a uber conservative estimate on pay costs alone.
18 x 64= 1.152 billion dollar increase to the PWA for hourly rates alone (or 18 x 65= 1.170 billion)
11-22-2010, 02:26 PM
#2776
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Because we have no leverage for it. We'd be making so much more then everyone else management would most likely laugh while rolling on the floor all the way out the door.
I would love restoration, but we can get a lot closer with work rules & pay rates, rather then just pay rates. JMO.
I would love restoration, but we can get a lot closer with work rules & pay rates, rather then just pay rates. JMO.
11-22-2010, 02:30 PM
#2777
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Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Johnso;
Work rules are key. a min day not a Duty Period Average should be first and foremost.
Also, I cannot even say that the almighty "restoration" is not possible. Why? Because we still need to see if UCAL and AMR raise the bar at all. If they are still at the table then we are going to have a very difficult time getting anything.
Work rules are key. a min day not a Duty Period Average should be first and foremost.
Also, I cannot even say that the almighty "restoration" is not possible. Why? Because we still need to see if UCAL and AMR raise the bar at all. If they are still at the table then we are going to have a very difficult time getting anything.
11-22-2010, 03:44 PM
#2778
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Johnso;
Work rules are key. a min day not a Duty Period Average should be first and foremost.
Also, I cannot even say that the almighty "restoration" is not possible. Why? Because we still need to see if UCAL and AMR raise the bar at all. If they are still at the table then we are going to have a very difficult time getting anything.
Work rules are key. a min day not a Duty Period Average should be first and foremost.
Also, I cannot even say that the almighty "restoration" is not possible. Why? Because we still need to see if UCAL and AMR raise the bar at all. If they are still at the table then we are going to have a very difficult time getting anything.
11-22-2010, 04:07 PM
#2779
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Position: A-320A
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DAL88;
It depends on what we ask for. With our overall compensation package already close to the top, we would get some improvements quick, but the rest would have to take a unified group. Having these two carriers restore some of their work rules and pay would go a long way to getting us to an acceptable floor to start from. Also, I did not say "impossible", I said "difficult;" big difference. As I have said, if we get behind our union anything is possible with a little unity and elbow grease!!!!
I think you would be very surprised to know what my minimum pay and total contractual raise is. Of course I am not going to publish that tidbit of info, but it is a long way from managing your expectations downward.
It depends on what we ask for. With our overall compensation package already close to the top, we would get some improvements quick, but the rest would have to take a unified group. Having these two carriers restore some of their work rules and pay would go a long way to getting us to an acceptable floor to start from. Also, I did not say "impossible", I said "difficult;" big difference. As I have said, if we get behind our union anything is possible with a little unity and elbow grease!!!!
I think you would be very surprised to know what my minimum pay and total contractual raise is. Of course I am not going to publish that tidbit of info, but it is a long way from managing your expectations downward.
11-22-2010, 04:45 PM
#2780
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 243
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