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09-21-2010, 09:56 AM
#261
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Very ridiculous.
09-21-2010, 10:00 AM
#262
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Gotta say I agree with you alfa. SWAPA, USAPA, & APA really haven't gained any ground in their existence. As a matter of fact, I'd say USAPA has only cost their members MORE $$$ since they voted ALPA out. Not only are they draining their pockets with court costs, but they are robbing them of career earnings because they are too busy measuring schlongs rather then working together for a joint contract. What a waste they are.
09-21-2010, 10:00 AM
#263
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upndsky:
If you are a follower of the DALPA forum at all, you'll notice that VP #2 had a 5 page thread all dedicated to him and his, well, brashness towards his fellow co worker trying to give up a seat and ride the JS. I'd say someone like that is not a fairly good cross representation.
As the saying goes, "be careful what you wish for."
I'm grabbing another brew and some popcorn to continue watching this fun unfold.
7ER guy
If you are a follower of the DALPA forum at all, you'll notice that VP #2 had a 5 page thread all dedicated to him and his, well, brashness towards his fellow co worker trying to give up a seat and ride the JS. I'd say someone like that is not a fairly good cross representation.
As the saying goes, "be careful what you wish for."
I'm grabbing another brew and some popcorn to continue watching this fun unfold.
7ER guy
I don't know any of the 3 characters. I just meant to point out that they represent a fair cross section. IOW, this isn't made up solely of a small subset of our pilot group. In that respect, it's a good start.
As for the individuals themselves, I don't know. Like many, I'm frustrated with ALPA National (not our MEC). Whether DPA is the answer remains to be seen. A web page does not a union make and from what little I have seen, I'm not overly impressed. But I'm glad that the discourse has started.
09-21-2010, 10:02 AM
#264
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Yes, but isn't that managements trump card to play sort of speaking? Everyone on here keeps asking why ALPA won't do this or that. What I'm trying to say is that what is necessary is also extremely unpopular. No better example is what happened at US airways. ALPA did everything right. Was it unpopular, yes, did it get them ousted, yes, if they could have avoided it altogether would they have; You better believe it. There's your answer as to why ALPA won't do it. Do you really think a new union, one of a different name is going to do what is unpopular to fix the profession?
09-21-2010, 10:02 AM
#265
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I am all for the discussion and really welcome some change, I just need something that I can get behind and support and not just empty promises of the same thing only worded differently. I am trying to keep an open mind and am holding final judgement until a later time. I just want to know how it is going to be different. What is the vision for something different? Professional negotiators, please.
I want to know what the plan is for me to get more money in my pocket, more time away from work and a more secure future than what I currently have.
09-21-2010, 10:07 AM
#266
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I don't go to the DALPA forums. Too big of a PITA to log on only to watch guys snipe at each other.
I don't know any of the 3 characters. I just meant to point out that they represent a fair cross section. IOW, this isn't made up solely of a small subset of our pilot group. In that respect, it's a good start.
As for the individuals themselves, I don't know. Like many, I'm frustrated with ALPA National (not our MEC). Whether DPA is the answer remains to be seen. A web page does not a union make and from what little I have seen, I'm not overly impressed. But I'm glad that the discourse has started.
I don't know any of the 3 characters. I just meant to point out that they represent a fair cross section. IOW, this isn't made up solely of a small subset of our pilot group. In that respect, it's a good start.
As for the individuals themselves, I don't know. Like many, I'm frustrated with ALPA National (not our MEC). Whether DPA is the answer remains to be seen. A web page does not a union make and from what little I have seen, I'm not overly impressed. But I'm glad that the discourse has started.
You are correct, we should be discussing it. We may conclude it is not in our best interest but it would be negligent of us not to look into it.
09-21-2010, 10:07 AM
#267
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09-21-2010, 10:07 AM
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This thread is about an independent union for Delta pilots. I asked a question regarding representation history at a property many Delta pilots came from. Care to answer it, as one can often learn from history...
09-21-2010, 10:10 AM
#269
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If we form an independent union then ALPA will dissolve. There will be no organized and unified voice for pilots. The independent unions will join CAPA. CAPA will form a central organization to lobby with a unified voice. CAPA will see that rather than hiring outside experts at $1,000 an hour, it would be cheaper to hire full time attorneys and economic experts to make available to all pilot groups when it is their turn to negotiate. CAPA will form Safety and Security committees to look after pilot interests in those specialized areas. CAPA will then see that the entire profession cannot be raised up unless they raise up the groups with the least resources and ability to negotiate, so they will recruit the smaller airlines. Finally, CAPA will lease some vacant office space, oh let's say in Herndon, VA, where they can pry off the ALPA signs from the wall and put up CAPA signs. Wow I will feel much better when that happens.
The difference, however, is that CAPA would represent the interests of mainline carriers, whether they're majors, LCCs or cargo. IOW, those of us who fly for our own brand.
Too me, that has been the biggest bone of contention with ALPA National. They are serving two masters with diametrically opposed goals. It's an unattainable situation.
09-21-2010, 10:14 AM
#270
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Actually, CAPA already represents the interests of Horizon Air and Gulfstream Air.
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