Delta Pilots Association
11-15-2010, 11:05 AM
#2591
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
Striking is still legal in the USA. The NMB can abuse their power and slow the process for a while (like what they're doing with APA), but eventually the laws must be followed by everyone.
No, but management must be thrilled to have you think that. The only weapon left to labor, and you've surrendered it before use.
Agreed.
Carl
No, but management must be thrilled to have you think that. The only weapon left to labor, and you've surrendered it before use.
Agreed.
Carl
11-15-2010, 12:28 PM
#2592
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 394
I'll counter by saying management must be thrilled to know you would plan on something they know will almost certainly be shut down for us. When a democratic president sends the APA back to work at the 5 minute point you need to read the tea leaves. If a strike is allowed, all the better for us but there are plenty of other ways we can force the issue. I'd rather have political clout working behind the scenes figuring out exactly what will work, not be stopped, and planning for that. One of the many reasons a new association at this point is a bad idea in my opinion.
11-15-2010, 12:39 PM
#2593
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
My understanding is that a PEB keeps the contract in place for 60 days while negotiations supposedly take place. After 60 days Congress has the option of imposing work rules. If they choose not to you are free to strike. ?? I'm sure there's an expert somewhere on here.
11-15-2010, 01:21 PM
#2594
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Having been jr. during 9-11/Iraq furloughs, I can understand his angst. He is one Israeli raid on the Iranian nuke plant or AQ attack on oil infrastructure away from an FM action. That always weighs in your mind and view of the landscape of our business.
He wants to survive. He never had a DB plan or c2k compensation. His journey from a regional to Delta was a step up in his career and pay check.
He wants to survive. He never had a DB plan or c2k compensation. His journey from a regional to Delta was a step up in his career and pay check.
It smells to me like this is a guy who is the management liason to the internet boards. The problem is that these guys never come out and say so. They always play the part of "one of the guys" while they fight hard to communicate management's vision.
The vast majority here has had that and lost it. That majority seeks restoration and the ability to retire to something other than a FEMA trailer and Walmart job. That is this groups angst. This group then wants to work or row harder to attain restoration. The confusion happens when working and rowing harder is misconstrued as rocking the boat.
Carl
11-15-2010, 01:27 PM
#2595
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Position: 747-400 Captain
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Carl
11-15-2010, 01:31 PM
#2596
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I'll counter by saying management must be thrilled to know you would plan on something they know will almost certainly be shut down for us. When a democratic president sends the APA back to work at the 5 minute point you need to read the tea leaves. If a strike is allowed, all the better for us but there are plenty of other ways we can force the issue. I'd rather have political clout working behind the scenes figuring out exactly what will work, not be stopped, and planning for that. One of the many reasons a new association at this point is a bad idea in my opinion.
Carl
11-15-2010, 01:36 PM
#2597
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
11-15-2010, 02:49 PM
#2598
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: No to large RJs
Posts: 369
We can keep sailing (pun intended) with this one.
-We would have a ship with a rudder.
-All the sailors would be working towards our destination, not another ship's destination.
-We wouldn't have to support the sailors that didn't support us.
Who else can chime in?
Last edited by DAWGS; 11-15-2010 at 03:09 PM.
11-15-2010, 03:30 PM
#2599
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
The same boat has a giant anchor dragging the ocean floor and it is called national. We could afford one he)) of a shiny boat without that anchor. Glad you pointed that out! Imagine all of us sailing together without that anchor. Great symbolism manager and ACL, your ENG 101 prof would be proud.
We can keep sailing (pun intended) with this one.
-We would have a ship with a rudder.
-All the sailors would be working towards our destination, not another ship's destination.
-We wouldn't have to support the sailors that didn't support us.
Who else can chime in?
We can keep sailing (pun intended) with this one.
-We would have a ship with a rudder.
-All the sailors would be working towards our destination, not another ship's destination.
-We wouldn't have to support the sailors that didn't support us.
Who else can chime in?
Carl
11-15-2010, 03:43 PM
#2600
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
The same boat has a giant anchor dragging the ocean floor and it is called national. We could afford one he)) of a shiny boat without that anchor. Glad you pointed that out! Imagine all of us sailing together without that anchor. Great symbolism manager and ACL, your ENG 101 prof would be proud.
We can keep sailing (pun intended) with this one.
-We would have a ship with a rudder.
-All the sailors would be working towards our destination, not another ship's destination.
-We wouldn't have to support the sailors that didn't support us.
Who else can chime in?
We can keep sailing (pun intended) with this one.
-We would have a ship with a rudder.
-All the sailors would be working towards our destination, not another ship's destination.
-We wouldn't have to support the sailors that didn't support us.
Who else can chime in?
-If we happen to run into pirates that wanted to take... oh, I don't know... 42% of our belongings, we would actually fight for ourselves rather than trying to make friends with them and hope they would change their minds.
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