Carl Spackler

I really hope you're right man. I worry when I see so many RJ newbies with a couple of years seniority, and they're looking for ways to give up before Section 6 even begins. Others just depressed and feeling like their expectations have already been lowered.

Sigh,

Carl

Carl Spackler

You'll realize how funny this comment is when your 13 year old comes to you one day and tells you how wrong you are on so many levels. Good times.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Nothing enjoyable about having to shine a light on what you're trying to do here acl. And don't lump yourself in with sailing, PG and the others. You stand alone in your behavior. Constant rumor mongering that is rarely correct is used by you to foster trust. Then you use that trust to try to convince others to surrender before Section 6 even begins.

Your statement that we can only gain from here based on future inflation is still the single weakest statement I've ever seen on these boards.

Carl

80ktsClamp

You do realize that the ALPAoids on this site (your most recent posts the past few weeks are along the same vein) do the best job of convincing the rest of the pilot group needs reform (likely in the form of a new union) because it will obviously never come from within? Too entrenched, too stuck in their ways, too full of themselves.

Carl Spackler

No, just to the hopelessly entrenched. Everyone else will get behind ALPA, DPA, or whoever it is and pull the rope together. You won't. We get that.

I'm sure all the people you talk to in your echo chamber agree with you. That's not what I see. I see a great many people knowing about DPA, and a number of them behind DPA 100%. Will DPA win? Who knows.

Carl

tsquare

He... just.... doesn't.... get.... it......

and for the life of me I can't understand why.

tsquare

In truth, DPA is a big win if it gets alpa off it's ass and real change is effected. But you know as well as I that this is just another bump in the road for the all powerful "association" When this storm blows over, it will be back to business as usual. So.. the answer to your question is.. no.. DPA will not win.. and that's just fine with those in the palace in Herndon. ACL and the others will celebrate while watching nothing happen.

TheManager

Having been jr. during 9-11/Iraq furloughs, I can understand his angst. He is one Israeli raid on the Iranian nuke plant or AQ attack on oil infrastructure away from an FM action. That always weighs in your mind and view of the landscape of our business.

He wants to survive. He never had a DB plan or c2k compensation. His journey from a regional to Delta was a step up in his career and pay check.

The vast majority here has had that and lost it. That majority seeks restoration and the ability to retire to something other than a FEMA trailer and Walmart job. That is this groups angst. This group then wants to work or row harder to attain restoration. The confusion happens when working and rowing harder is misconstrued as rocking the boat.

acl65pilot

I prefer you to row in the same direction in the same boat. That is the point, not jump to a new shiny boat.

I get it The Manager. I did not have a DB, but I want a better retirement. If you think I feel our compensation is adequate, then you are mistaken.

DAL is and was a step up. It allows a correct progression. No problem with that. It is still better here than at the regionals. Period. That does not mean it should not be better here.

NuGuy

Heyas,

There WILL be a come to Jesus (or insert other deity here) moment for this pilot group.

Right now there are a TON of pilots (hundreds? thousands? ten thousands?) that are totally disgruntled about the way DALPA and ALPA national runs things. For all the reasons listed above. They see the DPA as the only mechanism to force change...either to force DALPA to change, or to jettison the whole kit and kaboodle.

The only way affiliation with ALPA National can be saved is if DALPA changes the way it does business. If the new leadership can pull out of the spiral dive that it finds itself in, then things might improve to the point where the membership is comfortable with the status quo.

Alternatively, the leadership can pretend to change...maybe take the same old rhetoric and repackage it and try to continue with the same old top-down "we know best" mentality. If the current efforts in that regard are only to repackage the same old song, then the pilots will see right through it.

Some times the only way to get change is to force it...as someone said on the Webboard, it's not enough to add the ingredients to make a good Chili...you have to STIR the pot.

I'm not a DPA supporter, but changes in the way business is done HAVE to be made.

Nu