Delta Pilots Association
11-14-2010, 04:38 PM
#2571
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Col. 88Driver, did you order the Code Red card count?
I think I'm entitled.
I want the truth!
Did you order the Code Red card count?
Did you order the card count?
I move that the forum immediately adjourn and Col. 88Driver be placed in the couch in front of his favored football team with the coldest beverage of his choice. The Col. has rights. I move that we proceed with an immediate Section 6, since we ALL deserve a lot more than we are getting as of now.
Hope you enjoyed tonight's APC Cinema. Tune in next week for our rendition of "Big Trouble in Little China", starring Ferd and Denny.
That is an example of hearsay. Not claiming they are lying, I'm just a doubting Thomas when it comes to webboard "facts". Whoever has the info has not made it public, all I ask is that people don't communicate something as a fact when there is no way to prove said fact.
Unless a statement can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, its just a rumor or opinion.
I think I'm entitled.
I want the truth!
Did you order the Code Red card count?
Did you order the card count?
I move that the forum immediately adjourn and Col. 88Driver be placed in the couch in front of his favored football team with the coldest beverage of his choice. The Col. has rights. I move that we proceed with an immediate Section 6, since we ALL deserve a lot more than we are getting as of now.
Hope you enjoyed tonight's APC Cinema. Tune in next week for our rendition of "Big Trouble in Little China", starring Ferd and Denny.
That is an example of hearsay. Not claiming they are lying, I'm just a doubting Thomas when it comes to webboard "facts". Whoever has the info has not made it public, all I ask is that people don't communicate something as a fact when there is no way to prove said fact.
Unless a statement can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, its just a rumor or opinion.
Chief pilot: What happened on your trip?
Union rep: You don't have to answer that question!
Carl: I'll answer the question! You want answers!
Chief Pilot: I think I'm entitled.
Carl: You want answers!
Chief Pilot: I want the truth!
Carl: You can't handle the truth!
Chief pilot: Did you expense those lap dancers?!!?
Carl: You're G*******D right I did!!!!
Carl
11-14-2010, 05:22 PM
#2572
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
That's pretty funny, and sad at the same time. Funny, because the more things change the more they remain the same. The EAL pilot group's anger needs to be directed in the same place the USAir East pilot's anger --->> the MIRROR.
Sad, because these little battles against ALPA national do nothing but harm MY ability to get a truly restorative contract.
A little history lesson for you: ALPA National told the EAL pilots to get their butts back in the seats after Bush refused to permit the Blue Ribbon Commission regarding maintenance fraud, effectively killing any chance of a successful strike. The locals refused, thinking they knew best. The rest is history.
Sad, because these little battles against ALPA national do nothing but harm MY ability to get a truly restorative contract.
A little history lesson for you: ALPA National told the EAL pilots to get their butts back in the seats after Bush refused to permit the Blue Ribbon Commission regarding maintenance fraud, effectively killing any chance of a successful strike. The locals refused, thinking they knew best. The rest is history.
11-14-2010, 06:01 PM
#2573
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,357
PG, you don't think having Lorenzo in charge, selling off the airlines assests, cutting wages and benefits had anything to do with the strike? Maybe they felt they had nothing to come back to or worth having. Unfortunately we all would have benefited by them having a sucessfull strike.
11-14-2010, 07:00 PM
#2574
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,308
I think Delta is now so large that we'll never be allowed to strike by any administration. Management knows that. It's our goal to maximize leverage on the company for the next contract and not allow them to draw out the negotiations. We're most likely going to have to hit the company where it hurts. To do that I think we're going to need a boat load of political good will.
I think we're about to learn a lot about what works and what's not allowed to work when the APA reaches the end of their rope shortly. At this point I think we're a lot better off with the strong political connections of ALPA than going with an in-house association into Section 6. It's that simple in my mind.
I think we're about to learn a lot about what works and what's not allowed to work when the APA reaches the end of their rope shortly. At this point I think we're a lot better off with the strong political connections of ALPA than going with an in-house association into Section 6. It's that simple in my mind.
11-15-2010, 06:06 AM
#2575
Get's Every Day Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,860
Unity will abide
I agree with most of what you have said however management loves a divided group. If it comes to a vote in a time period where we should be handing are contract opener to the company its going to cost every pilot a bunch of money. Both the pilot and company will over time form their expectations and wants and needs in the contract. The company expectations of how they will do will go way up if the union is in the middle of a decert effort. Its managments biggest wet dream!!!!!! Management personal and pilots were the drivers in the last effort to vote ALPA off the property. They never got enough cards but there was no doubt who the man behind the curtain was in that attempt.
Carl;
How many times has there been 100% retro? Just asking?
Trust me when I tell you that you are dead wrong. I am willing to risk everything but not on a fools errand. Before you can create demands as large as many want, you need unity.
Get that one little item take care of and you have gone a long way in helping your chances of receiving your demands. Divisiveness like DPA is not the way to start.
How many times has there been 100% retro? Just asking?
Trust me when I tell you that you are dead wrong. I am willing to risk everything but not on a fools errand. Before you can create demands as large as many want, you need unity.
Get that one little item take care of and you have gone a long way in helping your chances of receiving your demands. Divisiveness like DPA is not the way to start.
11-15-2010, 07:08 AM
#2576
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
NWA320;
I think that is the companies goal. Drag it out as long as possible and this is one of the many reasons.
Carl;
You are so very wrong on so many levels, but I am not going to waste my time trying to prove myself or the facts to you.
The manager,
My prospective is that we need to fight for restoration, but save the rhetoric. Period. Actions are louder than words. No more needs to be said on that subject.
Carl;
Enjoy ranting about me, DPA,sailing, PG, surrender monkeys, etc.
The DPA drive divides this group, simple as that.
FWIW, have been flying with a bunch of guys and all of them are pro-alpa. Most can not conceptualize starting a new association now, nor would they want to. Many realize that the pay cuts and scope changes were our doing, and not some National Bogeyman.
I think that is the companies goal. Drag it out as long as possible and this is one of the many reasons.
Carl;
You are so very wrong on so many levels, but I am not going to waste my time trying to prove myself or the facts to you.
The manager,
My prospective is that we need to fight for restoration, but save the rhetoric. Period. Actions are louder than words. No more needs to be said on that subject.
Carl;
Enjoy ranting about me, DPA,sailing, PG, surrender monkeys, etc.
The DPA drive divides this group, simple as that.
FWIW, have been flying with a bunch of guys and all of them are pro-alpa. Most can not conceptualize starting a new association now, nor would they want to. Many realize that the pay cuts and scope changes were our doing, and not some National Bogeyman.
11-15-2010, 08:12 AM
#2577
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
The DPA drive divides this group, simple as that.
FWIW, have been flying with a bunch of guys and all of them are pro-alpa. Most can not conceptualize starting a new association now, nor would they want to. Many realize that the pay cuts and scope changes were our doing, and not some National Bogeyman.
FWIW, have been flying with a bunch of guys and all of them are pro-alpa. Most can not conceptualize starting a new association now, nor would they want to. Many realize that the pay cuts and scope changes were our doing, and not some National Bogeyman.
ALPA national sucks. Period. And THAT will not change.
11-15-2010, 08:34 AM
#2578
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11-15-2010, 08:46 AM
#2579
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Carl
11-15-2010, 08:50 AM
#2580
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No, but management must be thrilled to have you think that. The only weapon left to labor, and you've surrendered it before use.
Carl
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