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Old 11-14-2010, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Are you saying that DPA needs access to the resources only a national union can supply? Can't DPA do it with the robust union their promising? What if ALPA wasn't there for DPA, then what? Nice plan....NOT.
They could probably do it with the 20+ million in dues that go to National that we never get back directly.
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Old 11-14-2010, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Clearly not, this post is probably one of them...
Truth hurts huh.
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Old 11-14-2010, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
They could probably do it with the 20+ million in dues that go to National that we never get back directly.
Your misinformed. But since you've been drinking DPA kool aid that doesn't surprise me.
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Old 11-14-2010, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Truth hurts huh.
What truth? Labeling folks that are dissatisfied with ALPA as angry is just rhetoric.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Your misinformed. But since you've been drinking DPA kool aid that doesn't surprise me.
Your kool aid's better than his kool aid!
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ExAF
I agree with you 88. I'll admit, I'm on the fence, but keep the cart before horse. The DPA vote doesn't decertify ALPA, just gives us a right to vote whether or not to decertify ALPA. I'm willing to see the DPA be given the opportunity to show us what they can do AND be ready to take over on day 1. I think the pilot group as a whole is smart enough to weigh the pros and cons and come up with the best choice. Either way, the voice of all of the DAL pilots have a chance to be heard and their will be done. Either way, the DAL pilots win.

I agree with most of what you have said however management loves a divided group. If it comes to a vote in a time period where we should be handing are contract opener to the company its going to cost every pilot a bunch of money. Both the pilot and company will over time form their expectations and wants and needs in the contract. The company expectations of how they will do will go way up if the union is in the middle of a decert effort. Its managments biggest wet dream!!!!!! Management personal and pilots were the drivers in the last effort to vote ALPA off the property. They never got enough cards but there was no doubt who the man behind the curtain was in that attempt.
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Old 11-14-2010, 11:59 AM
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Both the pilot and company will over time form their expectations and wants and needs in the contract.
Man isn't that the truth! Think about what you said for a minute. Think about a strategy that never says a word about restoration and acts like everything is basically going well for us... you know, the LM proactive engagement strategy. What kind of "expectations" has that formed over time?
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
From now on the answer to the question "what are you willing to give up to get [fill in the blank] shall be answered with a definitive:

What are you, DALPA/ALPA, willing to give up to keep us from signing our DPA cards?
This post of yours really struck me ftb. These are the kind of conversations you have against management when you want something that they are unwilling to give. Now here we are proposing that we have these conversations against our union!

What on Earth has happened to us where we have to force our own union to do the job they are supposed to do. What does that tell us? How did we get so far off course.

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Old 11-14-2010, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Who cares the exact card count at this point? The bottom line is if they get enough cards there will be a vote and then we will see what the outcome is. I do find it amazing that there are so many pilots who have supposedly sent cards in with so little campaigning by DPA. If in fact the DPA has even 1500 cards I would say ALPA should take heed because there appears to be a lot of DAL pilots that are not happy with them and they may find over 12,000 pilots who dues dollars they will no longer be able to collect.
We still have zero proof that anyone has turned in a card. No source has been mentioned that will allow anyone to CONFIRM with the NMB how many cards have been actually submitted.

I'm waiting for the poster (or anyone else who believes that) "25% of Delta Pilots have been sent in a card" to show the way John Q. Public finds out how to access the numbers of cards sent in to the NMB to petition for a representational election.

It seems more like a statement meant to over-inflate the pro-DPA sentiment among the pilots of Delta Air Lines. I want proof.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Sign your cards and mail them in, but before you vote realize what you are giving up.
Yes. You will be giving up fighting your own union to do what they are supposed to do. You will be giving up watching 70 cents on every union dues dollar going to represent pilots that fly our sold flying.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
No one discredits that there needs to be some changes in a few area,
You discredit it acl. All you ever use is weasel words like "I have issues", and "some changes in a few areas". When it comes to details, you are lock step with ALPA/DALPA. You continually lower everyone's expectations on our upcoming contract negotiations, and excuse even the most egregious behaviors of ALPA.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
but to start anew in the world we live in is just plain naive.
Spoken like someone terrified of change. Thumb sucking in the corner will not get the change we all need acl.

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