Delta Pilots Association
11-13-2010, 11:12 AM
#2471
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
I'm going to probably surprise you a little, shiznit, and basically agree with you on this point. I did send in a card... not because I'm prepared to absolutely vote DPA in at this moment, but because all the card does is allow a vote to be taken. I too would want to know that everything is "fully functional" before pulling the trigger on the changeover. But I want a heck of a lot more than "fully functional"! I want an association that is clearly advocating restoration. What I absolutely do NOT want is an association that makes every excuse in the book why that supposedly cannot happen... an association that continually tries to manage our expectations downward. All I'm looking for is someone to fight for us, not concede defeat and try to make the best of it. If DPA will do that, I'll vote for them. I want them to be fully functional (and they will have to address that), but that is only one part of the big picture here... and not the most important part IMO either.
I think that contractual restoration is important, but by "fully functional" I mean to say that we will need capable, knowledgeable people to man the Safety committee, to review the monthly PBS runs, to man the PBS help desk, to have guys like C.T. in the office to resolve PWA questions, call the company and help provide resolution before problems become a "fly now, greive later" scenario. We will need R&I staff to help guys getting ready to punch out have all the info they need. Who will represent the next busted pilot? What happens to the pilot representative to the ASAP committee? There are numerous things that keep the union running every single day that have to be duplicated and implemented, and its a much, much larger task that will require hundreds if not thousands of man hours to organize.
(I still think our new/current stable of LEC Reps want restoration just as badly as a "new bargaining agent's" slate of elected reps do.)
11-13-2010, 11:24 AM
#2472
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
I'd say they are being loyal to the Delta Pilots in their view. Not sure agree, but this is what I think they are thinking......
Follow me here:
If they(the current volunteers) feel that the present structure is more beneficial to the Delta Pilots, and that the many benefits, services, skills, and knowledge the "volunteer specialists" bring to the pilots would disappear if an alternate association is put in place; then it would have an effect of discouraging votes for the alternative bargaining agent....therefore keeping a more effective (in their eyes) structure in place, which results in having the better long-term option (again in their eyes) in place to serve the Delta Pilots.
This is how they are "showing their loyalty" to the Delta Pilots.
YMMV.
Follow me here:
If they(the current volunteers) feel that the present structure is more beneficial to the Delta Pilots, and that the many benefits, services, skills, and knowledge the "volunteer specialists" bring to the pilots would disappear if an alternate association is put in place; then it would have an effect of discouraging votes for the alternative bargaining agent....therefore keeping a more effective (in their eyes) structure in place, which results in having the better long-term option (again in their eyes) in place to serve the Delta Pilots.
This is how they are "showing their loyalty" to the Delta Pilots.
YMMV.
11-13-2010, 11:46 AM
#2474
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
11-13-2010, 11:55 AM
#2476
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Functionality is much more than having reps who care about a negotiating a great contract.
I think that contractual restoration is important, but by "fully functional" I mean to say that we will need capable, knowledgeable people to man the Safety committee, to review the monthly PBS runs, to man the PBS help desk, to have guys like C.T. in the office to resolve PWA questions, call the company and help provide resolution before problems become a "fly now, greive later" scenario. We will need R&I staff to help guys getting ready to punch out have all the info they need. Who will represent the next busted pilot? What happens to the pilot representative to the ASAP committee? There are numerous things that keep the union running every single day that have to be duplicated and implemented, and its a much, much larger task that will require hundreds if not thousands of man hours to organize.
(I still think our new/current stable of LEC Reps want restoration just as badly as a "new bargaining agent's" slate of elected reps do.)
I think that contractual restoration is important, but by "fully functional" I mean to say that we will need capable, knowledgeable people to man the Safety committee, to review the monthly PBS runs, to man the PBS help desk, to have guys like C.T. in the office to resolve PWA questions, call the company and help provide resolution before problems become a "fly now, greive later" scenario. We will need R&I staff to help guys getting ready to punch out have all the info they need. Who will represent the next busted pilot? What happens to the pilot representative to the ASAP committee? There are numerous things that keep the union running every single day that have to be duplicated and implemented, and its a much, much larger task that will require hundreds if not thousands of man hours to organize.
(I still think our new/current stable of LEC Reps want restoration just as badly as a "new bargaining agent's" slate of elected reps do.)
Think of it as an ILS to minimums. Your objective should be to see what you need at minimums and land in the touchdown zone. If you start getting below the glideslope, and the PF is not correcting... well, there's a conversation that has to happen right there. You can't just accept that you are below glideslope and live with it. If you are on the final segment and the PF is not correcting, then his objective or at least his ability to achieve the objective becomes questionable. Landing well short of the runway threshold is not an option. At some point, you may have to take over. Maybe not a perfect analogy... but you get the idea.
11-13-2010, 11:58 AM
#2478
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
DAL88;
My charge to you since you have so much time on your hands given the fact they forgot there is a MEM 9A category, is to volunteer for P2P and or some other committee.
I know a few guys that after reading these threads that are debating pulling their cards.
My charge to you since you have so much time on your hands given the fact they forgot there is a MEM 9A category, is to volunteer for P2P and or some other committee.
I know a few guys that after reading these threads that are debating pulling their cards.
11-13-2010, 12:02 PM
#2479
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
I'd say they are being loyal to the Delta Pilots in their view. Not sure agree, but this is what I think they are thinking......
Follow me here:
If they(the current volunteers) feel that the present structure is more beneficial to the Delta Pilots, and that the many benefits, services, skills, and knowledge the "volunteer specialists" bring to the pilots would disappear if an alternate association is put in place; then it would have an effect of discouraging votes for the alternative bargaining agent....therefore keeping a more effective (in their eyes) structure in place, which results in having the better long-term option (again in their eyes) in place to serve the Delta Pilots.
This is how they are "showing their loyalty" to the Delta Pilots.
YMMV.
Follow me here:
If they(the current volunteers) feel that the present structure is more beneficial to the Delta Pilots, and that the many benefits, services, skills, and knowledge the "volunteer specialists" bring to the pilots would disappear if an alternate association is put in place; then it would have an effect of discouraging votes for the alternative bargaining agent....therefore keeping a more effective (in their eyes) structure in place, which results in having the better long-term option (again in their eyes) in place to serve the Delta Pilots.
This is how they are "showing their loyalty" to the Delta Pilots.
YMMV.
11-13-2010, 12:03 PM
#2480
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
No DAL88, what he is saying is that these people beleive that ALPA even with the warts, will better represent this pilot group than a upstart. A lot of the guys that I talk to would probably fight to get ALPA back on property.
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