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11-10-2010, 06:47 PM
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If management could raise prices $8 per ticket today, why wouldn't they do it?
They would. In a heartbeat. Not to line our pockets, but to line theirs.
The fact that they haven't means the competitive market we operate in can't support the increase (obviously unless the majority of carriers/asm's increase as well). We don't live in a vacuum.
Your math may or may not be correct, I don't know. But your logic is fallacious. I want more probably more than you do, as I have a shorter time left here. Your "just raise fares" argument doesn't hold water.
They would. In a heartbeat. Not to line our pockets, but to line theirs.
The fact that they haven't means the competitive market we operate in can't support the increase (obviously unless the majority of carriers/asm's increase as well). We don't live in a vacuum.
Your math may or may not be correct, I don't know. But your logic is fallacious. I want more probably more than you do, as I have a shorter time left here. Your "just raise fares" argument doesn't hold water.
You're just trying to make management's case for them that pilot costs should remain variable. Just keep being their mouthpiece slowplay. Eventually you'll be rewarded with that coveted management position.
Carl
11-10-2010, 06:54 PM
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Before you can even get to something as advanced as critical thinking, you have to be able to know fact from fiction. You can't yet get past making things up.
Carl
11-10-2010, 07:01 PM
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11-10-2010, 07:28 PM
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I'm not a fan of the fees either. I think it's a semi-dishonest way to do business. Our customers don't like it either. SWA is having a field day with very effective ads highlighting this problem... and I wouldn't be surprised if this has cost us more than it's brought in.
I think Delta is smarter than you think. How much money does Delta pull in per year from their deal with American Express?
11-10-2010, 07:42 PM
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But if they're going to go the fee route and they won't pay us more without bringing in the additional revenue to cover it, then maybe it's time to add a pilot surcharge. I just find it kind of interesting (and sad) that a passenger's checked bag is worth way more than the pilots flying him to his destination.
Think of an a/c specific base pay per A and B seat that is longevity based.
Then add ticket surcharge based on length of flight or duration.
A rough idea that needs to be tweaked and tested to eliminate the holes such as:
* How to fairly distribute the surcharge earnings.
* sick/loa
* overtime
* vacation
Ideas?
11-10-2010, 08:00 PM
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11-10-2010, 08:44 PM
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11-11-2010, 08:04 AM
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No question of that. They have managed to convince our representation that we shouldn't expect restoration and that if we want an improvement it comes at the detriment of another area. All while they fill their bags full of money and pack a chute.
11-11-2010, 08:59 AM
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Took the words right out of my mouth capn.
11-11-2010, 01:00 PM
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I agree that the guys we work for are very smart in some areas... not so smart in others.
I remember a few years ago when I went to the "In Command" seminar in ATL. All of the management folks that spoke to us came across as very competent and sharp. In particular, the lady who at the time was in charge of revenue management really impressed me.
But on the other hand, I see huge management mistakes being made... not the least of which is the mistreatment of our pilot group by continuing to pay us BK/emergency rates long after the BK/emergency has been over. That's just taking advantage of a situation because you can. It's questionable ethics. And it's treating a valuable employee group as strictly a cost item and not the valuable asset that we are. That is a fundamental successful business principle that a company cannot afford to ignore. Unfortunately, LM's strategy has allowed the company to be shielded to a degree from this mistake. But that isn't going to last forever... one way or another. If our management is really that "smart", they will recognize this problem and maybe we'll get some "proactive engagement" thrown our way for a change.
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