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11-09-2010, 06:05 PM
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ACL,
That all makes sense... except for the fact that you cannot know for certain what the outcome (consequences) are of these "chess moves" you are talking about. There is an awful lot of opinion in what you write. And you make it sound like it's all a foregone conclusion. Too much faith in your own predictions can have some pretty bad consequences too.
I'd rather see us define our objective (hopefully that would be restoration of our profession) and then make sure every move we make is centered around that. A ship without a stated destination, wandering aimlessly, is not likely to get us where we want to go.
That all makes sense... except for the fact that you cannot know for certain what the outcome (consequences) are of these "chess moves" you are talking about. There is an awful lot of opinion in what you write. And you make it sound like it's all a foregone conclusion. Too much faith in your own predictions can have some pretty bad consequences too.
I'd rather see us define our objective (hopefully that would be restoration of our profession) and then make sure every move we make is centered around that. A ship without a stated destination, wandering aimlessly, is not likely to get us where we want to go.
This!!
Carl
11-09-2010, 06:09 PM
#2372
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No question we screwed up with our yes votes. But there comes a time to recognize mistakes and correct them going forward. If we don't advocate that our allocation gets put back to where it was, then who will? And if ALPA won't do this, then I think we're going to have to find someone else who will.
11-09-2010, 06:12 PM
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On second thought, there is one thing you can actually DO. Surrender.
Carl
11-09-2010, 06:14 PM
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11-09-2010, 06:19 PM
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And I'll repeat (with some emphasis in bold): I'd rather see us define our objective (hopefully that would be restoration of our profession) and then make sure every move we make is centered around that. A ship without a stated destination, wandering aimlessly, is not likely to get us where we want to go.
Scenario it out all you want (as we should). But without a clear and compelling objective, it is not likely to yield results. I don't know how to make it any clearer.
Scenario it out all you want (as we should). But without a clear and compelling objective, it is not likely to yield results. I don't know how to make it any clearer.
Carl
11-09-2010, 06:35 PM
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This industry has always been very cyclical and unpredictable. If you look at the entire history, cumulatively it has lost more than it has made. There are huge amounts of money involved and there are many ways to allocate it. We had our portion of the allocation reduced by about HALF. Let the bean counters worry about how they're going to make that right... it should be their problem, not ours.
If we had a real trade union, we would say to management: "This is what we need, or we will very reluctantly have to shut it down. Now be good little managers and make it happen." Instead, we have a string of DALPA guys ready to tell me how unevolved I am and run straight to management to apologize for the views of the rank and file neanderthal.
Carl
11-09-2010, 07:36 PM
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Carl;
I am not going to even bother responding to your quips. I just believe in different methods than you.
DAL 88, there are some ppl running that have list the void of communications of which you speak as a major problem. I also agree that the communication and overall direction need to be restated to the group. What I do not want is rhetoric just to hear something though.
I am not going to even bother responding to your quips. I just believe in different methods than you.
DAL 88, there are some ppl running that have list the void of communications of which you speak as a major problem. I also agree that the communication and overall direction need to be restated to the group. What I do not want is rhetoric just to hear something though.
11-09-2010, 07:44 PM
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Carl;
I am not going to even bother responding to your quips. I just believe in different methods than you.
DAL 88, there are some ppl running that have list the void of communications of which you speak as a major problem. I also agree that the communication and overall direction need to be restated to the group. What I do not want is rhetoric just to hear something though.
I am not going to even bother responding to your quips. I just believe in different methods than you.
DAL 88, there are some ppl running that have list the void of communications of which you speak as a major problem. I also agree that the communication and overall direction need to be restated to the group. What I do not want is rhetoric just to hear something though.
I hope we get that "overall direction" stated soon (not restated because it has never been stated in the first place). This is vitally important IMO, and that first new Chairman's Letter better be focused on restoration if ALPA is to regain my support.
Last edited by DAL 88 Driver; 11-09-2010 at 07:45 PM. Reason: clarification
11-09-2010, 07:54 PM
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Absolutely. Say what you mean and mean what you say! No rhetoric without substance needed.
I hope we get that "overall direction" stated soon (not restated because it has never been stated in the first place). This is vitally important IMO, and that first new Chairman's Letter better be focused on restoration if ALPA is to regain my support.
I hope we get that "overall direction" stated soon (not restated because it has never been stated in the first place). This is vitally important IMO, and that first new Chairman's Letter better be focused on restoration if ALPA is to regain my support.
11-09-2010, 08:10 PM
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With the huge hole in which we find ourselves, that is going to be a tall order. But I'm not aware of any organization that ever accomplished something significant and difficult without 1) setting its goal, 2) creating objectives, 3) designing strategies to achieve the goal, and 4) getting everyone on board and pulling in the same direction. We haven't even done step #1. And if ALPA won't do it, then I think we are going to have to find someone else who will.
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