Delta Pilots Association
11-08-2010, 07:50 AM
#2302
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
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Fellow pilots,
During the first few months of our terms as National Officers, Scott, Tony and I have been communicating with the membership via Flightline magazine, the APA Information Hotline, the APA News Digest, occasional system-wide e-mails and by attending domicile meetings when able. Going forward, we will be adding print mailings such as this one to cover important topics, particularly those relating to the negotiation of a new collective bargaining agreement.
For the 25 years that I've been an American Airlines pilot, there have been periodic discussions about whether APA should employ the services of a professional negotiator to assist us in negotiations. The APA Board of Directors has debated this topic many times over the years and several years ago inserted language in the APA Policy Manual defining the duties of a professional negotiator.
After taking office, I notified the APA Board of Directors of my intention to search for a candidate or firm who may be a good fit for APA. My criterion for a successful candidate was a pro-labor individual with extensive and successful experience negotiating pilot contracts within the framework of the Railway Labor Act (RLA).
I am extremely pleased to report that I have been able to retain the services of the International Pilot Services Corporation (IPSC), which provides representation services to pilot groups around the world. IPSC is headed by Mr. Seth Rosen, one of the most experienced RLA pilot negotiators in the country. Mr. Rosen and his associates will assist our negotiating team with strategy and tactics, perform actual negotiating when appropriate and provide counsel and guidance to APA's Board of Directors and National Officers.
Mr. Rosen was a high-level negotiator, strategist and attorney for the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) for decades and is currently the director of IPSC, a subsidiary of ALPA. Mr. Rosen graduated from law school at The George Washington University in 1966. From 1966-1971 he worked for the National Labor Relations Board in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco, Calif. He joined ALPA's Legal Department in 1971 and has held a number of positions with the organization since then, including assistant legal director, manager of contract administration and director of representation, with responsibility for negotiations, Federal Aviation Administration matters and other activities.
During the past 38 years, Mr. Rosen has been directly involved in numerous pilot negotiations, complex labor relations matters, litigation and a variety of training programs. He is a frequent speaker and commentator on the state of labor relations and collective bargaining in the airline industry. He has also served as industrial advisor to the International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations (IFALPA) since 1986, providing advice and counsel to the Industrial Committee and member associations. He served on President Obama's transition team with responsibility for reviewing the National Mediation Board (NMB). Most recently he was the labor representative on the NMB's Dunlop II Committee, which conducted an assessment of the agency's overall functioning and effectiveness.
The agreement reached between APA and IPSC is the result of a number of discussions between me, Mr. Rosen and ALPA representatives. The ALPA leadership, including current President Captain John Prater and President-elect Captain Lee Moak (who takes office on Jan. 1, 2011), have pledged to support APA's efforts to pursue our contractual objectives and raise the bar for all pilots.
As previously reported, ALPA has agreed to provide APA access to its Economic and Financial Analysis (E, F & A) group, which has decades of experience evaluating airline economic comparisons and pilot contract proposals. This group will provide invaluable input to APA's equivalent team, our Industry Analysis Ad Hoc Committee, which I created in August of this year.
These developments signal a level of cooperation between ALPA and APA that has not been seen for nearly 50 years. It is my intention to aggressively pursue an industry-leading contract and to continue fostering closer cooperation between all pilot groups in our country--as well as abroad--to advance the interests of the pilots of American Airlines and the entire profession.
In unity,
Captain Dave Bates
President, Allied Pilots Association
During the first few months of our terms as National Officers, Scott, Tony and I have been communicating with the membership via Flightline magazine, the APA Information Hotline, the APA News Digest, occasional system-wide e-mails and by attending domicile meetings when able. Going forward, we will be adding print mailings such as this one to cover important topics, particularly those relating to the negotiation of a new collective bargaining agreement.
For the 25 years that I've been an American Airlines pilot, there have been periodic discussions about whether APA should employ the services of a professional negotiator to assist us in negotiations. The APA Board of Directors has debated this topic many times over the years and several years ago inserted language in the APA Policy Manual defining the duties of a professional negotiator.
After taking office, I notified the APA Board of Directors of my intention to search for a candidate or firm who may be a good fit for APA. My criterion for a successful candidate was a pro-labor individual with extensive and successful experience negotiating pilot contracts within the framework of the Railway Labor Act (RLA).
I am extremely pleased to report that I have been able to retain the services of the International Pilot Services Corporation (IPSC), which provides representation services to pilot groups around the world. IPSC is headed by Mr. Seth Rosen, one of the most experienced RLA pilot negotiators in the country. Mr. Rosen and his associates will assist our negotiating team with strategy and tactics, perform actual negotiating when appropriate and provide counsel and guidance to APA's Board of Directors and National Officers.
Mr. Rosen was a high-level negotiator, strategist and attorney for the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) for decades and is currently the director of IPSC, a subsidiary of ALPA. Mr. Rosen graduated from law school at The George Washington University in 1966. From 1966-1971 he worked for the National Labor Relations Board in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco, Calif. He joined ALPA's Legal Department in 1971 and has held a number of positions with the organization since then, including assistant legal director, manager of contract administration and director of representation, with responsibility for negotiations, Federal Aviation Administration matters and other activities.
During the past 38 years, Mr. Rosen has been directly involved in numerous pilot negotiations, complex labor relations matters, litigation and a variety of training programs. He is a frequent speaker and commentator on the state of labor relations and collective bargaining in the airline industry. He has also served as industrial advisor to the International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations (IFALPA) since 1986, providing advice and counsel to the Industrial Committee and member associations. He served on President Obama's transition team with responsibility for reviewing the National Mediation Board (NMB). Most recently he was the labor representative on the NMB's Dunlop II Committee, which conducted an assessment of the agency's overall functioning and effectiveness.
The agreement reached between APA and IPSC is the result of a number of discussions between me, Mr. Rosen and ALPA representatives. The ALPA leadership, including current President Captain John Prater and President-elect Captain Lee Moak (who takes office on Jan. 1, 2011), have pledged to support APA's efforts to pursue our contractual objectives and raise the bar for all pilots.
As previously reported, ALPA has agreed to provide APA access to its Economic and Financial Analysis (E, F & A) group, which has decades of experience evaluating airline economic comparisons and pilot contract proposals. This group will provide invaluable input to APA's equivalent team, our Industry Analysis Ad Hoc Committee, which I created in August of this year.
These developments signal a level of cooperation between ALPA and APA that has not been seen for nearly 50 years. It is my intention to aggressively pursue an industry-leading contract and to continue fostering closer cooperation between all pilot groups in our country--as well as abroad--to advance the interests of the pilots of American Airlines and the entire profession.
In unity,
Captain Dave Bates
President, Allied Pilots Association
11-08-2010, 11:38 AM
#2304
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,192
11-08-2010, 11:51 AM
#2305
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 710
ROFL...
Just wait until the AA guys realize how much those $2 to $3M lump sum pensions are really worth on an hourly rate converted to a DC with 2.5 to 4% annual returns going forward. The APA will quickly realize how far ahead of the US Pax 121 world they really are in a "total compensation" perspective. Just saying...
11-08-2010, 01:02 PM
#2306
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
11-08-2010, 01:12 PM
#2307
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Nope my guess is that it is a gesture of good will towards APA. Goodwill goes a long way in restoring a divide.
My guess is if he can deliver a decent contract, their perspective or willingness to rethink ALPA will probably change. Just like FedEx and CAL.
My guess is if he can deliver a decent contract, their perspective or willingness to rethink ALPA will probably change. Just like FedEx and CAL.
11-08-2010, 01:13 PM
#2308
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
That is the beauty of it, National can suggest anything they want, but the MEC's are the ones that pay their bills and therefore have the right under the by-laws to do what they want.
11-08-2010, 01:18 PM
#2309
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
11-08-2010, 01:21 PM
#2310
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
It better not be goodwill. They better be paying thru the nose to get him. Goodwill... seriously? If that's the case.. why don't we quit, and get some of that "goodwill"?
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