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11-02-2010, 07:03 PM
#2241
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
T;
Guys at National that have nothing to do with DAL. Other airline colleagues that I knew long before I was here. Just for some clarity for you.
Also, I am just a line guy. I mean that. I do a little volunteer work, but other than that, my opinions are that of my own. I may have my ear to the ground or have the ability to pick up the targets behind the background noise, but to think I am an insider, is quite funny. That statement will probably have ppl shooting beer though their nose's on the eight floor at DALPA and the 4th floor at DAL.
WRT to national. Call it a business decision, but the facts remain that DPA or ALPA we are a union. It make it real hard to champion workers rights when you are willing to go after them yourself. You and I both know that we are not talking about the office of the president either. We are talking about support staff.
As for the presidential salary and stipends. Seems to be a level of accountability that was not there before. Do not like that they get paid, even though they are on a Leave of absence from their airline, then change it.
As was described at a LEC meeting.
Housing allowance is for people that do not move there. If they do it is not paid. It will now be direct billed to ALPA. It pays for a 3BR 2BA condo and is limited by some amount for the DC area. I do not know what it is.
The car allowance is for a 30K US made car as well as the gas, and maintenance associated with it.
Per diem has been cut to a 24K flat rate and Concur reimbursement.
Pay is based on the average of the top five airlines, no the top three. That is a pay cut.
This is for the office of the president only.
Everyone else gets FPL from their airline on what they can hold. For guys from small carriers there is a min number they have to hit.
Like I said, these are the changes from this BOD. Seems to be the direction the LEC reps wanted to take, which is bringing accountability back to the office of the ALPA president. It may not be a full fix, but it is better than a jump in the wrong direction.
As for the pension, I do not know the details of it, but it is to make up for the loss of retirement contributions while at national.
Guys at National that have nothing to do with DAL. Other airline colleagues that I knew long before I was here. Just for some clarity for you.
Also, I am just a line guy. I mean that. I do a little volunteer work, but other than that, my opinions are that of my own. I may have my ear to the ground or have the ability to pick up the targets behind the background noise, but to think I am an insider, is quite funny. That statement will probably have ppl shooting beer though their nose's on the eight floor at DALPA and the 4th floor at DAL.
WRT to national. Call it a business decision, but the facts remain that DPA or ALPA we are a union. It make it real hard to champion workers rights when you are willing to go after them yourself. You and I both know that we are not talking about the office of the president either. We are talking about support staff.
As for the presidential salary and stipends. Seems to be a level of accountability that was not there before. Do not like that they get paid, even though they are on a Leave of absence from their airline, then change it.
As was described at a LEC meeting.
Housing allowance is for people that do not move there. If they do it is not paid. It will now be direct billed to ALPA. It pays for a 3BR 2BA condo and is limited by some amount for the DC area. I do not know what it is.
The car allowance is for a 30K US made car as well as the gas, and maintenance associated with it.
Per diem has been cut to a 24K flat rate and Concur reimbursement.
Pay is based on the average of the top five airlines, no the top three. That is a pay cut.
This is for the office of the president only.
Everyone else gets FPL from their airline on what they can hold. For guys from small carriers there is a min number they have to hit.
Like I said, these are the changes from this BOD. Seems to be the direction the LEC reps wanted to take, which is bringing accountability back to the office of the ALPA president. It may not be a full fix, but it is better than a jump in the wrong direction.
As for the pension, I do not know the details of it, but it is to make up for the loss of retirement contributions while at national.
that's right.. it is the COMMITTEE that determines the pay/benefits... or it is the BOD that sets those numbers. How obvious does the corruption have to be for you to see it?
You and I are going around this maypole a lot. so here's my suggestion. Bookmark this link: YouTube - WILL IT GO AROUND IN CIRCLES - BILLY PRESTON (1972) and when I say Link1, go there and see where we are. k?
I cannot believe you post those statistics regarding the president's bennies without being so outraged yourself that you could finish the post. I mean really...
And the paycut you describe is nowhere near enough.
11-02-2010, 07:04 PM
#2242
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
I'm not insinuating otherwise, I'm plainly saying so. In my 32 years as an ALPA member with 4 airlines, I served on a few committees, ran for office twice and lost twice. When I call my reps, the calls are never returned. When I email my reps, I've gotten one response in the last 5 years. I would call that one pretty small fish.
Carl
Carl
Well Carl, I cannot respond for what your reps do, but the reps I have return e-mails and phone calls very quickly. The previous guys did as well. That is something that I think needs to be a given if you opt to take the job. The phone is always on, because as a rep unless you are on mandatory rest, is a full time job.
It is a commitment. If you are in 20, the rest of the guys I know up there seem to like the three representing you currently.
11-02-2010, 07:07 PM
#2243
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Excuses, excuses, excuses. deny deny deny , deflect and change the subject. classic.
that's right.. it is the COMMITTEE that determines the pay/benefits... or it is the BOD that sets those numbers. How obvious does the corruption have to be for you to see it?
You and I are going around this maypole a lot. so here's my suggestion. Bookmark this link: YouTube - WILL IT GO AROUND IN CIRCLES - BILLY PRESTON (1972) and when I say Link1, go there and see where we are. k?
that's right.. it is the COMMITTEE that determines the pay/benefits... or it is the BOD that sets those numbers. How obvious does the corruption have to be for you to see it?
You and I are going around this maypole a lot. so here's my suggestion. Bookmark this link: YouTube - WILL IT GO AROUND IN CIRCLES - BILLY PRESTON (1972) and when I say Link1, go there and see where we are. k?
My solution would be to bring our pay up and not to bring theirs (unit 1 and 2) down to come in line with ours!
I get the frustration T, I do, but as I have pointed out there need to be a few things sacred. One is that unions do not bust other unions.
11-02-2010, 07:09 PM
#2244
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Committee suggests and then the BOD reps vote on it. This is what happened for the new ALPA president.
My solution would be to bring our pay up and not to bring theirs (unit 1 and 2) down to come in line with ours!
I get the frustration T, I do, but as I have pointed out there need to be a few things sacred. One is that unions do not bust other unions.
My solution would be to bring our pay up and not to bring theirs (unit 1 and 2) down to come in line with ours!
I get the frustration T, I do, but as I have pointed out there need to be a few things sacred. One is that unions do not bust other unions.
11-02-2010, 07:26 PM
#2249
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
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