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11-02-2010, 05:51 PM
#2221
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The difference between these two union statements is stark!
Carl
11-02-2010, 05:52 PM
#2222
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I understand. I would think that all of our "constructive engagement" could manage to convince the company that all us "Delta Professionals" should be spared the indignity of a virtual strip search or actual ball fondling before we go to work. The amount of money that it would cost to implement should be chump change compared to the current profit level, and no, I don't think we should have to give up anything to get it. Barring a company solution, then the big, AFL-CIO affiliated national ALPA organization should be screaming at congress to get it funded. I'm just not hearing it.
Just a guess, but I bet that little vote that closes tomorrow here in Delta world may bring some resolution to the issue. Just a guess, and a little dot connecting on my part. No idea if it will but given past practices I would think that having the vote over and a result one way or the other would move this little issue along.
Again, as I see it, it is not always as cut and dry as the purists (pilots) would like.
11-02-2010, 05:53 PM
#2223
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On this issue I think ALPA does what it is doing right now. Pushing for someone to write a check for the service and technology that is needed to make crewpass operational for 12200 delta pilots. As I have been told by guys at National, it is not something that the government will spend one dime to pay for. That means it comes down to your and I paying for it each and every year, or the company. Of course if anything ever happened with a crewpass pilot the person paying could be legally liable. (There is the fear stopping this, I said it) Get the government to waive that liability form you or our corporation, and it will more than likely be paid for tomorrow.
It is a money and liability issue. Make sure all of us are who we say we are and then get someone to state that the FBI background checks are good, and I bet the money will show up.
It is not as easy as stomping your feet, though I wish it was.
It is a money and liability issue. Make sure all of us are who we say we are and then get someone to state that the FBI background checks are good, and I bet the money will show up.
It is not as easy as stomping your feet, though I wish it was.
Carl
11-02-2010, 05:56 PM
#2225
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Don't buy into the fear. Send the card in and give DPA a chance. The group is in its infancy. At the end of the day, Delta pilots will be looking out for Delta pilots and those pilots will be elected. Our dues will stay here. Look high and low, independent unions have the strongest scope. Part of our money currently goes to support other groups who currently fly and want to fly more of our pax/routes. Why would we continue to support this structure? Why some don't see this as a conflict or choose not to amazes me.
Carl
11-02-2010, 06:06 PM
#2226
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FYI - I don't think many line guys have even heard of DPA. No one I've worked with has mentioned it. Last week I asked my Captain if he heard there was an independent drive going on. He hadn't heard a peep. The only reason I know is because of my APC addiction.
11-02-2010, 06:06 PM
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But ALPA didn't. You were supposed to be keeping us posted on how you're doing with the process of changing ALPA from within. Your "To-Do List" just got a little longer.
I totally agree with you acl. You get it. Everybody that I talk to gets it as well. Why doesn't ALPA? This issue is a no brainer, yet ALPA's response is another embarrassing disappointment to me.
Carl
I do not want to get Cancer because of passing though these four or more times a week for the next 30 years which would be on top of all of the radiation we get while flying. It adds up to two or more chest x-rays a week for each pilot. I think I will opt out. It is my option.
Carl
11-02-2010, 06:18 PM
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But ALPA didn't. You were supposed to be keeping us posted on how you're doing with the process of changing ALPA from within. Your "To-Do List" just got a little longer.
I totally agree with you acl. You get it. Everybody that I talk to gets it as well. Why doesn't ALPA? This issue is a no brainer, yet ALPA's response is another embarrassing disappointment to me.
Carl
I totally agree with you acl. You get it. Everybody that I talk to gets it as well. Why doesn't ALPA? This issue is a no brainer, yet ALPA's response is another embarrassing disappointment to me.
Carl
I really hope all of us bypass this. Unfortunately the TSA will tell mgt/alpa that pilots are no longer allowed to 'opt out'. A letter will be sent to all instructing us to 'comply'. APA pilots will get crew pass. Alpa pilots will get a gloved finger up the...
11-02-2010, 07:10 PM
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Carl;
I do not speak for ALPA though you think I do. I am just a line guy. My personal guess is that like the liquid deal they are working on a work around behind the scenes and to do that, they need to prove that we are who we say we are and that we are still "trustworthy" APA told their guys to opt out, not that they were exempt. Big difference.
ALPA's response seems to be comply and use your discretion accordingly. My discretion is to opt out, and will do so every time I get asked for a random.
I do not speak for ALPA though you think I do. I am just a line guy. My personal guess is that like the liquid deal they are working on a work around behind the scenes and to do that, they need to prove that we are who we say we are and that we are still "trustworthy" APA told their guys to opt out, not that they were exempt. Big difference.
ALPA's response seems to be comply and use your discretion accordingly. My discretion is to opt out, and will do so every time I get asked for a random.
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