TheManager

So, do I read that as ALPA has a satisfactory response and staus quo is good. DALPA waits until someone writes a check.

How long do you think that will take?

Just to be clear, let's say you were the FO rep, and I asked what ALPA was doing wrt "pushing someone to write a check" what would your answer be?

Remember, I am trying to see how changing ALPA from within is going to work. We have a problem, we need a change.

Carl Spackler

This is amazing me here Clamp. You would think that with the DPA clearly out there, they would be especially aware of the rank and file. Instead, we see clearly disappointing and weak statements on: 1500 hour rule, Flight time/duty time, TSA screening, and scope restoration. Do they not realize how this looks, do they just not care...what the heck is it?

Carl

Carl Spackler

Trust me man, I'm only one small fish with only one vote.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Great line coming from this thread's author.

As strongly in favor of an in-house union as I am personally, I've never yet posted that I think people should do what I've done. The only thing I've ever advocated and keep advocating since my very first post, is that everything you read must make sense to your own logical mind through your own critical thinking. I've always found that people who don't have the facts on their side will start the propaganda machines, and their explanations will alway require extremely complex contortions to sound even remotely credible. If everyone has their critical thinking caps on, their logical minds will easily sniff out the facts from the BS.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I'm not telling anyone what to do, and not advocating anything here...but I just want to mention that the DPA website is asking us not to do that. They don't want this to be used as a wake up call to ALPA, they only want people to send cards in if they're really ready to go in-house.

Carl

TheManager

True. However, as much as I would like to see how we can change ALPA from within and keep them as our bargaining agent, things keep coming up more opaque.

Everything else aside, if one just follows the money, it is difficult to see how we fix that.

How do we get a majority of our dues $ working for us let alone 100% of them?

How do we firmly yet tactfully remove the silver spoon out of their mouths at national?

Right now, DPA is gone viral. It is everywhere you look even when you are not looking for it. Hotels, a/c, vans, even on the elipiticals and treadmills in the hotel gym.

If ALPA stumbles over 1500 hrs v 500, TSA, and the proposed flight and duty regs......DPA will become a contagion. They need to move quickly and effectively and quite frankly I have never seen quickly and effectively only on occasion.

acl65pilot

From everything I get that is DALPA's position to there Nu.

acl65pilot

I have asked and the response I got from the reps I talk to is that DALPA does not see it as their position to pay for it. There are benefits for the company if we do not screen, and everyone knows it.

nwaf16dude

I understand. I would think that all of our "constructive engagement" could manage to convince the company that all us "Delta Professionals" should be spared the indignity of a virtual strip search or actual ball fondling before we go to work. The amount of money that it would cost to implement should be chump change compared to the current profit level, and no, I don't think we should have to give up anything to get it. Barring a company solution, then the big, AFL-CIO affiliated national ALPA organization should be screaming at congress to get it funded. I'm just not hearing it.

Carl Spackler

You lose credibility when you call an organization that is not born yet, flawed. ALPA is clearly flawed in my opinion as well, but nobody knows if DPA is flawed yet. It's impossible to make that call at this stage.

This is an interesting and often repeated claim. It's trying to subvert the process from ever happening by scaring people away from what is clearly their legal right to exercise a democratic vote and process. The scare tactic is claiming that we can't exercise this right because the mere act of doing so would be divisive...ergo, ALPA stays.

Others claim a DPA victory will be divisive. The only way a DPA victory could be divisive is if our ALPA supporters refused to support the newly elected DPA. Do you really think our pilot group is that shallow and stupid? If DPA is not voted in, I will support ALPA. I will be disappointed in the defeat, but ALPA will be my union and one that I will still send my opinions to even if I know it won't do any good.

Anybody that claims a DPA victory will be divisive is sending a significant insult to the pilots of Delta. Anybody claiming the mere process itself will be divisive is assuming that pilots won't reunite afterwards...regardless of who wins. Both claims are seriously misguided in my view.

Carl