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Old 10-31-2010, 10:08 PM
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Heyas,

The absolute hilarity in all of this is: Has anyone heard ANYTHING from the DPA?

Anything at all?

An email?
A phone call?
A snail mail letter?
Something in their mailbox at work?
A personal contact?

All this frothing at the mouth over a group, as far as I can tell, that has done nothing, proposed nothing, as published no commentary from their leadership or organizers, and has had no public activity other than a simple website with rather abstract objectives.

So what, may I ask, is all the bother about?

And yet with this absolute minimal of information, we find people in hysterics, with the battle lines drawn.

#2100 posts, and not a single entry by any DPA organizer forwarding a plan or agenda. For the status quo folks, it must be like fighting a ghost.

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:11 PM
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Couldn't edit that post quick enough could you slow? These aren't PM's that you can lie about or edit without people noticing.

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:14 PM
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If you guys don't settle down, I'm turning this forum right around and heading home.

Don't make me get the fly swatter...

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas,

The absolute hilarity in all of this is: Has anyone heard ANYTHING from the DPA?

Anything at all?

An email?
A phone call?
A snail mail letter?
Something in their mailbox at work?
A personal contact?

All this frothing at the mouth over a group, as far as I can tell, that has done nothing, proposed nothing, as published no commentary from their leadership or organizers, and has had no public activity other than a simple website with rather abstract objectives.

So what, may I ask, is all the bother about?

And yet with this absolute minimal of information, we find people in hysterics, with the battle lines drawn.

#2100 posts, and not a single entry by any DPA organizer forwarding a plan or agenda. For the status quo folks, it must be like fighting a ghost.

Nu
And if the DPA folks are correct, they're saying that 51% is going to be no problem at all. Given all you've posted above, one would think ALPA would look at themselves and self critique.

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
If you guys don't settle down, I'm turning this forum right around and heading home.

Don't make me get the fly swatter...

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OK Nu...you win!

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And if the DPA folks are correct, they're saying that 51% is going to be no problem at all.
I'll save you the suspense: the DPA folks aren't correct. There will never even be a vote.
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Couldn't edit that post quick enough could you slow? These aren't PM's that you can lie about or edit without people noticing.

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The second line of my post, while heartfelt, was tasteless. I apologize.

You're still a liar.
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas,

#2100 posts, and not a single entry by any DPA organizer forwarding a plan or agenda. For the status quo folks, it must be like fighting a ghost.
If you filter out the usual bickering created by Carl, there's only about 100 posts of substance in the thread!

Turn the car around...for my own good!
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:45 PM
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WOW! Talk about a shot from left field. Do you know the "deleted" or did you just come up with this opinion/slander on your own? Did he p|ss in your Corn Flakes or something? I know I've been warned for calling someone a "deleted" on this forum. Hope you got one too. You sure about him "losing elections" or you just making "stuff" up? (BTW, I know the real answer.) I'll wager you aren't sure about the "deleted" either. Talk about personal attacks with no relevance to the thread.
Actually, I responded to a post that asked if anyone knew why any of the DPA "gentlemen" weren't running for an MEC position in next months election. Stepping up to the plate, as it were. The FO. My personal opinion of him stands about as high as he does. As far as elections, I'm pretty sure he ran in at least two bases for ALPA jobs. I know he recently lost one FO election, not sure what he ran for in the other base. I think that the quality of the people involved in the inception phase of the DPA is completely relevant and I'll be staying away from anything he has to do with. Maybe the other two are nice pilots. Dunno.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You lost me on this one. First off, what written reference gives you the opinion that DPA intends to be not one iota of difference regarding the politics of fear? DPA stating the problem with ALPA's conflict of interest is simply a fact by a large portion of our pilots. DPA won't be representing the very airlines that we've sold our flying to. How does stating this set the stage for more use of the politics of fear?

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Carl,

Just because a "large portion of our pilots" believe something to be true does not make it "fact."

There is no conflict of interest. If there is a conflict, where's the evidence?
- No ALPA President has refused to sign a Delta contract
- ALPA litigated with the Ford/Cooksey group to protect the exclusivity of mainline bargaining
- No regional pilots have ever sat down at the table to negotiate anything regarding "Delta" flying

The DPA lost me when they bought in on the petty politics of divisiveness. When a union talks "unity" then they get it. The DPA will have a problem talking unity since it is a separatist movement. Eventually DPA is going to have to develop a platform stating what it supports. Frustration with ALPA will only push this thing uphill for so long.

The way I see it, the DPA's only chance is as an alternative to an MEC Officer election if the line pilots' opinions are greatly different from the choices made by their Reps.

Thanks for bringing another perspective to the board and being respectful in our debate.

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