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10-31-2010, 08:25 PM

#2091

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by dckozak

There are lots of reasons Delta pilots should care what happens to ALPA, whether the pilots of Delta stay or leave. First off, the loss of Delta would be a blow to ALPA, no doubt. The influence to direct policy and provide guidance would be sorely missed. That said, the pilots of Delta, represented by another union will not, have any where near the influence ALPA does now, with or without DAL. The near term issues of a newly formed union will be so daunting, it will be could up in administrative BS along with recruitment for a considerable time, that it will be a long time before you will be able to attempt to influence any policy on Capital Hill.

This is your factless opinions based on your own emotions. But you're welcome to them.

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Originally Posted by dckozak

While Carl is leading the effort on behalf of the pilots at Delta airlines, ALPA will be in the trenches flighting a rear guard action by the industry to undermine pilots interests.

In my opinoin, ALPA is the rear guard that is helping to lower our profession. The only rear guard action the leaders are interested in is when they get to be a government bureaucrat instead of a union bureaucrat.

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Originally Posted by dckozak

Carl is hard over on 8 block hours. We all get it. As best as I can tell, any thing more under any condition is UNSAT. no, ifs, ands, or buts about it.

That's correct. A proposal to reduce fatigue is no such thing with an increase in work hours from 8 to 10 per day. Unless you can show a science based study that shows a reduction in fatigue when pilots hours are increased from 8 hours to 10, then this is not a fatigue reduction NPRM.

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Originally Posted by dckozak

I think if ALPA "wins" restrictions to the union flight time proposal it will be a major accomplishment in the face of heavy industry lobbying.

Of course you'll see it as a major accomplishment. ALPA portrays all of its cave-ins as accomplishments.

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Originally Posted by dckozak

Capt Carl will consider it a cave, because we will have a 9 hour flight limit during normal morning hours. It will be further proof of ALPA ineptitude.

Yes I will. Many others will as well. Hopefully, a DPA negotiating our next contract will make this increase a moot point to Delta pilots.

As I've said to you before, you probably shouldn't get too worked up about what we're doing here at Delta. We'll either change who represents us, or we won't. Either way, we'll wish you FedEx guys the best.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:29 PM

#2092

Reroute

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

It's an agreement between APA and ALPA to cooperate instead of compete. ALPA will now have the same access to the decades of experience from APA. It is NOT APA coming to ALPA for help on how to negotiate their contract.

Carl

Now that's too funny. Thanks for the good laugh.

10-31-2010, 08:30 PM

#2093

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Also Carl, a long time ago when I did no volunteer work, and did not engage my reps, I too thought that a independent union may be the way to go, but after engaging my reps, and learning the back history and facts about many issues, I realize that even though there are issues to fix within the organization, ALPA is bar none the way to go.

Ask any pilot who has ALPA step up to the plate to defend them and they will tel you that it is they who they want behind them.

Yes, ACL...I don't know how I could have missed all this that you've learned in your very short time in aviation.

I've done all that you've done and more over 3 decades with ALPA and have come to just the opposite conclusion. Many, many other pilots have as well. That is why you and the other apologists are so panic stricken over this. I understand.

I still find it so interesting that ALPA still hasn't come out with a statement welcoming the competition. Only the slander and massive fear mongering that you've championed thus far.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:33 PM

#2094

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Splash

I'm not trying to ID you. Your ID is not the issue. Your exposure to ALPA's communications "scripture" is the issue.

What did you think of ALPA's communications "scripture" during the Northwest strike in 1998 and the Comair strike in 2001?

And thank you for calling my posts "stunning"!

You did what you did Splash...stop trying to deny it. You tried to ID a poster, and your comments were deleted by a moderator. The question is: "Why do the ALPA apologists have to resort to this low class thuggery?" Why not just a statement welcoming the competition?

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:34 PM

#2095

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Typical deflection and straw man arguments. The point is that Hawaiin showed the example of turning down the first TA in bankruptcy. The result was a second TA that was far better than the rejected one. DALPA did not reject their first TA, neither did NWALPA. Hawaiin showed the example. That's the point.

Continue on with your next deflection, straw man argument, and/or threats via PM.

Carl

Besides ignoring the facts that Slow posted, it should be noted that Hawaiian is an ALPA carrier, just like NWA and DAL. Where were the boogey men from national?

Maybe, just maybe, the situations were different.

10-31-2010, 08:37 PM

#2096

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

I do not mind risk carl, I just deplore a fools errand. There is a big difference.

You've shown me nothing thus far but fear of risk, fear of change and total devotion to ALPA.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

You also assume that a lot of the best and brightest working for DALPA will jump over. Many may because they believe in the DAL pilots, but some will not had that will no go unnoticed.

I assume no such thing. I don't assume that the best and brightest among Delta pilots only reside currently within DALPA. It's pretty shallow that you do. We have many extremely bright people that don't want any part of the bloated shame that is ALPA national.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:39 PM

#2097

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by PCL_128

And where exactly will all of this expertise come from?

Read the other 2,000+ posts dude. Don't ask me to do your work because you're too lazy to read the answers for yourself.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:44 PM

#2098

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Prove both of those, slick. Your integrity is challenged.

You have no integrity from which to compare. You tried to silence a poster by threatening him via PM.

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Originally Posted by slowplay

I reposted the PM. You got something to back up, or just more groundskeeper fantasy and hot air?

As you well know, only you can post whatever portion of a PM you want. Moderators or the recipient have no recourse. You lied about what you've posted here. None of us can ever have access to your PM. You'll understand if we don't trust you.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:46 PM

#2099

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by PCL_128

Yes, we'll see how successful they are at that.

Actually, it's fact based on a thorough analysis of the contracts and flight schedules at all ALPA carriers. ALPA has done a very thorough analysis several times. But don't let facts get in the way of a good forum diatribe!

Really? Please state your experience working personally with the law firm. Oh, you don't have any? I'm shocked.

Nope. Experience. I've lived with CAPA when we had an independent union. How much experience have you had in dealing with them?

Really? Please state your experience in elected office and please inform everyone of the "assimilation" process. We're all ears.

Sorry, but that's just not true. The APA signed a services agreement in which ALPA will provide services to the APA in exchange for money. The APA will not be providing ALPA assistance with anything.

No amount of emotional based factless opining will make any of this fact.

Carl

10-31-2010, 08:50 PM

#2100

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Reroute

The situations were different. The pilots at Hawaiin didn't buy the ALPA national scare tactics, and voted down the TA. NWA pilots and Delta pilots succumbed to the scare tactics and voted in their first TA's.

As much as you and other apologists want to ignore this, it is a fact. Hawaiin pilots showed that it could be successfully done. We didn't.

Carl