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10-28-2010, 06:00 PM
#1801
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
If you want to see a proper response that lays out just how it should be done, read the CAPA response. Yet another failure for ALPA.
Carl
10-28-2010, 06:15 PM
#1802
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Carl;
At the C44 meeting today they had a presentation on the proposal with a list of ALPA's issues. That is what I am telling you. They are not sitting there and applauding this, they are commenting on at least 10 items that they have issues with. I do not know what the end result will be.
At the C44 meeting today they had a presentation on the proposal with a list of ALPA's issues. That is what I am telling you. They are not sitting there and applauding this, they are commenting on at least 10 items that they have issues with. I do not know what the end result will be.
10-28-2010, 06:35 PM
#1803
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl;
At the C44 meeting today they had a presentation on the proposal with a list of ALPA's issues. That is what I am telling you. They are not sitting there and applauding this, they are commenting on at least 10 items that they have issues with. I do not know what the end result will be.
At the C44 meeting today they had a presentation on the proposal with a list of ALPA's issues. That is what I am telling you. They are not sitting there and applauding this, they are commenting on at least 10 items that they have issues with. I do not know what the end result will be.
Carl
10-28-2010, 06:58 PM
#1804
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 593
While being involved in the process does not necessarily mean that ALPA can dictate the outcome, IMO, it is far better to at least have a seat at the table, then simply fire off a meaningless press release.
Last edited by Reroute; 10-28-2010 at 07:51 PM.
10-28-2010, 07:05 PM
#1805
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Carl, that simply is not true. ALPA is pleased that our antiquated flight time and duty regulations are being overhauled, but ALPA does not endorse this NPRM as currently written. ALPA has issues with the NPRM as well and is currently reviewing the NPRM and will make inputs into it during the comment period which ends November 15th. And while CAPA is free to chime in from the sidelines, ALPA on the other hand is actively involved in the process with 7 pilots as members of the ARC. How many does CAPA have?
While being involved in the process does not necessarily mean that ALPA can dictate the outcome, IMO, it is far better to at least have a seat at the table, then simply fire off a meaningless press release.
While being involved in the process does not necessarily mean that ALPA can dictate the outcome, IMO, it is far better to at least have a seat at the table, then simply fire off a meaningless press release.
10-29-2010, 05:07 AM
#1807
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: What day is it?
Posts: 963
ACL...while I'm not one of your own, I have watched this forum with interest and noticed that you have allowed AirTran pilots to post, so I thought I'd clear up something you just posted...namely that
This is factually incorrect. I can only assume that it is a misstatement on your part.
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
CAPA wrote a letter alpa is part of the process
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
10-29-2010, 05:33 AM
#1808
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 478
! Where does ALPA raise the BS flag and draw a line in the sand. ALPA for DECADES agreed age 60 was the legally SAFE age to retire. ICAO say's, no we think it's age 65 and ALPA conceeded to the FAA to agree with ICAO. The FAA now has a NPRM that states 1500 minimum hours is the SAFE amount of hours to operate in a 121 environment. ALPA is now worried that ICAO "may" come back down the line and pressure the FAA to reduce the hours or let foreigners come and fly for less? WHO'S running this dog and pony show, FAA or ICAO? ALPA can't serve TWO masters, let alone THREE!!!
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10-29-2010, 05:34 AM
#1809
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
ACL...while I'm not one of your own, I have watched this forum with interest and noticed that you have allowed AirTran pilots to post, so I thought I'd clear up something you just posted...namely that
This is factually incorrect. I can only assume that it is a misstatement on your part.
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
This is factually incorrect. I can only assume that it is a misstatement on your part.
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
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10-29-2010, 05:41 AM
#1810
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: No to large RJs
Posts: 369
ACL...while I'm not one of your own, I have watched this forum with interest and noticed that you have allowed AirTran pilots to post, so I thought I'd clear up something you just posted...namely that
This is factually incorrect. I can only assume that it is a misstatement on your part.
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
This is factually incorrect. I can only assume that it is a misstatement on your part.
CAPA is and has been part of the ARC and NPRM process on this and FT/DT. The sad part is that the industry players and ALPA have on numerous occasions, called last minute meetings without notifying some members of the ARC until the last minute.
The industry members (ATA, RAA, NBAA, AABI and AOPA) have floated numerous trial balloons on reduced hours to guage where CAPA and others would come down. They have not budged one iota on the 1500 hour minimum.
I can tell you that the Congressmen, Senators and the families of Colgan 3407...who pushed this through despite ALPA...are livid with ALPA's assistance in the watering down effort. This is not secondhand, filtered information. This is firsthand from some of the players.
I respect your right to your opinions and carrying the torch for the team. I would also remind you of the words of a U.S. Senator who once famously said:
"We are all entitled to our opinions. We are not entitled to our own set of facts."
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