slowplay

Little is your word, not mine. But since you brought it up, in the context of the Airline Piloting profession, the Delta tribe is relatively small. We make up about 10% of unionized pilots actively flying in the US. That isn't enough of a tribe to have significant clout in DC or in the international arena, where the regulators who help determine what type of future we have play. So separating Delta pilots from ALPA isn't a good thing.

I'm not afraid of competition. So far there hasn't been any. All I see is a few groundskeepers with no plan and no experience walking into my house screaming the Network News mantra, "I'm mad as heck and I'm not going to take it anymore." Because just like the avatar, the Carl Spacklers of the DPA world want to come in and blow things up. Bushwood was a wreck when Spackler finished his job. The club was unplayable, yet the gopher lived. That's an apt metaphor for the DPA concept as it has been presented so far.

If resisting change I can't believe in is stubborn to you, then we will continue to disagree. My horizon is quite open. If there's a better path, I'll choose to take it, and I think our MEC agrees. So far nobody has shown a better path. Just a cry to "send in the cards." To what end?

slowplay

I've already answered that one, T. It wasn't free, nor was/is it cheap.

NWA320pilot

The same can be said about our clout within ALPA......

Rather B Fishin

This is probably the funniest and saddest thing that I have seen.
Is this ALPA or what an Independent Union looks like. You decide.

Pilot negotiations

Bucking Bar

Really? Glasnost?

slowplay

It could be said, but it would be wrong.

Hawaii50

All I can say is anything organization you support I am automatically against. You have really been nothing but divisive since day one. You resort to personal insults everytime your posts are questioned.

ACL is probably the main reason to come to this board. You are the main reason to avoid it. He is inclusive and wants to build an organization that will serve him and the rest of the group for the remainder of his career......you want to tear down and burn the furniture on the way out the door. If you really wanted to change anything you'd get involved now with the organization we have and make a difference.

TheManager

No slow. It is a good thing.

It becomes a great thing when we seperate ourselves from ALPA National that does not represent what we want or have asked for:

1. Age 65

2. 1500 hour requirement

3. Propsed rule change to duty and max scheduled flying

Seems to me that CAPA enjoys more clout and respect on the Hill and is behind the issues that match our wants and needs.

http://www.capapilots.org/Websites/c...ts_Oct2010.pdf

Let's distill this.

ALPA is hopelessly bloated and fiscally irresponsible with our dues. (And that is being nice.)

ALPA National has a serious conflict of interest with Delta pilots and other member airlines in regards to scope.

Time to correct the problem. How do you propose we do it slow?

NWA320pilot

That would be your opinion, mine is very different from yours.

freightguy

Hawaii...how? I tried talking with ALPA reps regarding fixing ALPA from within. But like many here claim...I found out ALPA has gotten too big for itself. We as airline pilots took +40% paycuts. But the ALPA chairman still makes close to half a million dollars. Heck...even secretaries at ALPA makes six figure salaries pushing papers (and they are home every night) while we land full jetliners in IMC for less. ALPA failed us during massive paycuts...but it sure did not affect their pay like it did ours....absolutely shameful, unethical and disgraceful.

I also taked to ALPA reps about strongly supporting and lobbying for the 1500 hr rule. But...excuses...excuses. Can't support the 1500hr rule. 500 hrs is good enough. I apparently don't get the big picture.

I do get the big picture....this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to control supply, drive up demand and regain pricing power...and ALPA is f'n it up.

Age 65, fatigue rules...I can go on and on. I am willing to support ALPA and support them if they can address these issues. ut so far they are not listening. But I am not willing to sit back an watch ALPA ruin one more f'n thing. I'm fed up.

Also I've been fed up with poor communication from ALPA. For almost every issue, they say: "There is stuff happening in the background that we can't tell you. You guys don't have the big picture". I am just sick and tired of supporting a 'super-secret' association.