Delta Pilots Association
09-20-2010, 07:55 PM
#161
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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I wonder what does a future Delta Pilots Association (DPA) do with the leaders we have elected in the past that is different than what DALPA has done with the leaders we had? My point is that I believe National ALPA and ALPA's problems are people and unless I'm missing something, DPA would have elected the same people they did for DALPA and the results would have largely been the same.
I mean sure, it is obvious that National ALPA has a huge conflict of interest with the RJ drain. But, isn't it up the the individual MEC's to determine the course and priorities of their negotiations when the time comes. Isn't CAL/UAL doing that exact thing right now?
Yes, national ALPA dropped the ball on pensions and age 65 and a few other things. But, we (and I use that word loosely) voted everything else in ourselves and our MEC's allowed it. I think we are our own worst enemy, not some organization. We allow our elections to be focused on popularity contests, not issues. We worry that the more "radical" candidates may be too radical and bring the company down. We don't participate. And when we try to participate, we are shot down or ignored because we don't "know the right people."
While there are more than a few instances where DALPA did (or, didn't do something) that have occurred over the past few years that have made me more than a little mad, it is important for DPA to explain how they would behave differently if they were in place with the same elected leaders that DALPA had at the time.* If they can't, I don't see why their efforts aren't made towards putting different people in the right positions.
New K
* What would DPA have done to save our pensions back in bankruptcy?
* What would DPA have done to keep Age 65 legislation from passing?
* What does DPA do that UAL/CAL MEC's aren't doing now to get rid of rj's?
* What does DPA do to mend the new rest rule proposal?
I mean sure, it is obvious that National ALPA has a huge conflict of interest with the RJ drain. But, isn't it up the the individual MEC's to determine the course and priorities of their negotiations when the time comes. Isn't CAL/UAL doing that exact thing right now?
Yes, national ALPA dropped the ball on pensions and age 65 and a few other things. But, we (and I use that word loosely) voted everything else in ourselves and our MEC's allowed it. I think we are our own worst enemy, not some organization. We allow our elections to be focused on popularity contests, not issues. We worry that the more "radical" candidates may be too radical and bring the company down. We don't participate. And when we try to participate, we are shot down or ignored because we don't "know the right people."
While there are more than a few instances where DALPA did (or, didn't do something) that have occurred over the past few years that have made me more than a little mad, it is important for DPA to explain how they would behave differently if they were in place with the same elected leaders that DALPA had at the time.* If they can't, I don't see why their efforts aren't made towards putting different people in the right positions.
New K
* What would DPA have done to save our pensions back in bankruptcy?
* What would DPA have done to keep Age 65 legislation from passing?
* What does DPA do that UAL/CAL MEC's aren't doing now to get rid of rj's?
* What does DPA do to mend the new rest rule proposal?
You've illustrated all my worries with this movement. I'm interested to see how it develops and fully support holding the gun to ALPA's head to fix their crap or get the boot.
09-20-2010, 07:59 PM
#162
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Heyas,
ALPA is already set up to outsource their services. APA, SWAPA, IPA and others already purchase contract services from ALPA National, from aeromedical, to EF&A and others.
That is the strong point to ALPA...it's technical services. Why not take advantage of that and jettison the high priced political baggage?
DAL represents almost %24 of ALPA money. You don't come back after a loss of that kind of revenue, especially when UAL/CAL and probably FDX follow suit. The only possible recourse would be to spin off the technical portion into it's own unit, one which provides technical assistance.
The other would be the representational arm of whoever is left...and it wouldn't be much.
The pilot leaders at the major airlines aren't entirely stupid. They understand the need for mass and representation of the larger issues in DC. The major pilot groups, ALL of them, would group together in a new organization...COPA, maybe, or perhaps other umbrella organization to handle these items. You leave the lobby group to handle national affairs, and negotiations to the individual airlines.
Now you've got all the heavy hitters in one group.
Nu
ALPA is already set up to outsource their services. APA, SWAPA, IPA and others already purchase contract services from ALPA National, from aeromedical, to EF&A and others.
That is the strong point to ALPA...it's technical services. Why not take advantage of that and jettison the high priced political baggage?
DAL represents almost %24 of ALPA money. You don't come back after a loss of that kind of revenue, especially when UAL/CAL and probably FDX follow suit. The only possible recourse would be to spin off the technical portion into it's own unit, one which provides technical assistance.
The other would be the representational arm of whoever is left...and it wouldn't be much.
The pilot leaders at the major airlines aren't entirely stupid. They understand the need for mass and representation of the larger issues in DC. The major pilot groups, ALL of them, would group together in a new organization...COPA, maybe, or perhaps other umbrella organization to handle these items. You leave the lobby group to handle national affairs, and negotiations to the individual airlines.
Now you've got all the heavy hitters in one group.
Nu
09-20-2010, 07:59 PM
#163
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 320B
Posts: 781
All very good points made by many ppl. I would should suggest watching what the candidates running for National say as well. Maybe the course will be changed, maybe it will not.
I just state, be careful about unintended consequences about actions that are not well thought out. Emotion can be a very dangerous thing.
Read my first post.
I just state, be careful about unintended consequences about actions that are not well thought out. Emotion can be a very dangerous thing.
Read my first post.
Where can I find out who is running and what platforms they are campaigning on? I have looked throughout the ALPA website but can't find anything.
09-20-2010, 08:01 PM
#164
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
It's moak, the fedex mec chair, rice (ual mec chair, and the lovable and dopey prater.
Maybe someone will run on the campaign position of "no really... we're gonna take it back, I promise this time!"
09-20-2010, 08:05 PM
#165
No longer cares
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Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
YGTBSM.
Last edited by tsquare; 09-20-2010 at 08:16 PM.
09-20-2010, 08:14 PM
#169
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Position: 320B
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The only emails I have received are from that dopey guy. Guess I must have missed the others. Did they come out through ALPA National?
09-20-2010, 08:15 PM
#170
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