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10-25-2010, 11:28 AM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Splash,

Maybe I misunderstood, but I think all Carl was doing was making the point that the NLRB would be counting cards. I don't think he was commenting on how/if polling would be done at DPA. I'm not sure if he ever really addressed that issue.

Oh... and if I failed to attempt to clarify anyone else who might have been misunderstood... please accept my apologies!

That was my point exactly. It's hard to predict how DPA will tally up the pilot's opinions...since DPA is not even born yet. In order for DPA to be born, a tally of cards has to take place (by some gov't agency).

Carl

10-25-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Splash

He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."

That is NOT what I said. I said the first poll is going to be the counting of cards for the decertification of ALPA. I said THAT "poll" will be controlled by the NLRB, which is apparently the wrong gov't agency.

Carl

10-25-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DAWGS

You missed my point. I am saying some ALPA supporters are trying to paint Carl as DPA, its leaders so to speak, and by insinuating this, they are misrepresenting the facts. This is their strategy and I think it will be played out more as time goes on against others who are vocal. He is just a supporter like the rest of us. He has ruffled some feathers and I understand why. I don't always support his approach or opinions but he makes many valid points about problems within ALPA. These are problems which many supporters of the status quo completely ignore or gloss over at best. I don't think he's blindly supporting anything if you are referring to his support of DPA. Competition is a good thing for all of us.

Thanks dude!

Carl

10-25-2010, 12:26 PM

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Splash

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Ok. Then tell me, Carl, who will control the surveys and polls at the DPA?

Don't try to be clever, please. Do some research and tell us if the organization you support has a plan for getting accurate feedback from us.

Take it another step, and describe the way you'd like to see feedback collected and handled. Should it be done by polling? Should the polling or survey results be published?

10-25-2010, 05:44 PM

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TOGA LK

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DPA card sent. Scope, pay and retirement. ALPA, you had your chance. Already sick of hearing "expect minimal gains in 2012" from the ALPO gang.

10-25-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK

Already sick of hearing "expect minimal gains in 2012" from the ALPO gang.

Really?

Well, I'm sick of hearing "expect a pay cut if we get in charge because we really don't have a clue what we're doing" from the DPA gang.

10-25-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Splash

I think the amount of cards that get sent in will be the first poll.

10-25-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Really?

Well, I'm sick of hearing "expect a pay cut if we get in charge because we really don't have a clue what we're doing" from the DPA gang.

That is the exact opposite of what is coming from the DPA camp. Setting the expectation bar low is exactly what I keep hearing from the ALPA camp.

10-25-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by capncrunch

That is the exact opposite of what is coming from the DPA camp. Setting the expectation bar low is exactly what I keep hearing from the ALPA camp.

And expecting a pay cut is exactly what I keep hearing from DPA...

I can keep making stuff up just as fast as you and Toga, capncrunch.

10-25-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK

DPA card sent. Scope, pay and retirement. ALPA, you had your chance. Already sick of hearing "expect minimal gains in 2012" from the ALPO gang.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^this. +1

The thought that our ALPA negotiators are setting the bar low and trying to keep expectations at a minimum is sickening. It reminds me of a dog thats been on a leash too long, soon enough you don't need a leash because the dog thinks it's on one and wont stray. It's called Learned Helplessness.