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10-25-2010, 08:29 AM
#1591
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Reroute 16 is the number I have, but it was not in front of me. We are getting ever closer to the 255. I think we are less than 20 away at the current time. Since we have not grown the mainline above the agreed to floor, the only jets that can be added are 70 seat airframes.
10-25-2010, 08:45 AM
#1592
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
What I have seen an awful lot in this thread is too much assassination of character on both sides. That seems to be the modus operandi for political discussions these days, and I think it really is a shame. I tend to agree with Carl's assessments. So if I missed any inappropriate comments he made and did not correct him like I did you, I apologize. I'm not the integrity police and I do have my opinions (which I share frequently)... but I do try to be fair when I post.
In any case, I think we'd all be better off if we'd stick to debating the issues and stop with the personal attacks.
10-25-2010, 09:06 AM
#1593
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: No to large RJs
Posts: 369
In any case, I think we'd all be better off if we'd stick to debating the issues and stop with the personal attacks.
Carl has never said he is a leader of DPA, just a supporter. It seems to me the other side is trying to show him as a leader and discredit him. I know of no one here who has come out as an insider of DPA. We are all just pilots stating why we should go one way or the other.
10-25-2010, 09:19 AM
#1594
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
I honestly do not remember Carl's use of the word "shill". I certainly could have missed it. And if he has used the word in the same way, then my comments would apply to him just the same as to you. You can question my intellectual honesty, but it doesn't change the substance of my "objection." .....
Stark contrast to how you handle yourself when I and others prove you to be either lying or shockingly ill informed. You handle it by ignoring the post and hoping time will make people forget.
The union/management shill could learn a thing or two from the greenskeeper.
The union/management shill could learn a thing or two from the greenskeeper.
10-25-2010, 09:29 AM
#1595
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 767ER capt
Posts: 1,190
On the subject of DPA "gaining traction", does anyone know how for how long an authorization card is valid? As I recall, it's a year, but I'm not sure.
I don't mind the DPA guys giving it a shot, but I really want it resolved before we enter contract negotiations. Obviously, an expired authorization card can be resubmitted, but I'm thinking that the movement will fall apart unless there is significant support.
I don't mind the DPA guys giving it a shot, but I really want it resolved before we enter contract negotiations. Obviously, an expired authorization card can be resubmitted, but I'm thinking that the movement will fall apart unless there is significant support.
10-25-2010, 09:56 AM
#1598
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: Boeing Boss
Posts: 335
He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."
He's wrong, of course. He still has no idea how polling or surveys would be conducted by DPA, because the DPA has no idea how they'll be done...or even IF they'll be done. Any discredit due Carl is self-earned by the fact that he is blindly advocating something he's done no research about, and is misleading others with false information.
10-25-2010, 10:25 AM
#1599
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Here's the problem: Carl took a shot at ALPA by claiming the contract polling and surveys would be "...controlled by ALPA".
He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."
He's wrong, of course. He still has no idea how polling or surveys would be conducted by DPA, because the DPA has no idea how they'll be done...or even IF they'll be done. Any discredit due Carl is self-earned by the fact that he is blindly advocating something he's done no research about, and is misleading others with false information.
He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."
He's wrong, of course. He still has no idea how polling or surveys would be conducted by DPA, because the DPA has no idea how they'll be done...or even IF they'll be done. Any discredit due Carl is self-earned by the fact that he is blindly advocating something he's done no research about, and is misleading others with false information.
Maybe I misunderstood, but I think all Carl was doing was making the point that the NLRB would be counting cards. I don't think he was commenting on how/if polling would be done at DPA. I'm not sure if he ever really addressed that issue.
Oh... and if I failed to attempt to clarify anyone else who might have been misunderstood... please accept my apologies!
10-25-2010, 10:34 AM
#1600
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: No to large RJs
Posts: 369
Here's the problem: Carl took a shot at ALPA by claiming the contract polling and surveys would be "...controlled by ALPA".
He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."
He's wrong, of course. He still has no idea how polling or surveys would be conducted by DPA, because the DPA has no idea how they'll be done...or even IF they'll be done. Any discredit due Carl is self-earned by the fact that he is blindly advocating something he's done no research about, and is misleading others with false information.
He was asked a few posts later who would do the surveys at DPA. He didn't reply with "I don't know", or "I'll try to find out". He replied with the "the National Labor Relations Board."
He's wrong, of course. He still has no idea how polling or surveys would be conducted by DPA, because the DPA has no idea how they'll be done...or even IF they'll be done. Any discredit due Carl is self-earned by the fact that he is blindly advocating something he's done no research about, and is misleading others with false information.
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