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10-21-2010, 08:29 PM
#1511
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
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It depends. We had a 7+55 hour turn from LAX to MSY on the 800 out of LAX and a lot of very senior commuters would bid them 2 or three in a row and get Hotel rooms.
Now if the JFK turns get in too late to do one the next day this is not an option, but guys can get pretty creative with PBS and put them in front of and behind other trips.
Scoop
It depends. We had a 7+55 hour turn from LAX to MSY on the 800 out of LAX and a lot of very senior commuters would bid them 2 or three in a row and get Hotel rooms.
Now if the JFK turns get in too late to do one the next day this is not an option, but guys can get pretty creative with PBS and put them in front of and behind other trips.
Scoop
There's a world of difference between 7+55 and 8+55. And hotel rooms in NY are a minimum of $120/night...
10-23-2010, 06:21 AM
#1513
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,039
A Delta pilot based in ATL told a friend of mine that DPA was a threat to ALPA to get our own guy in charge of ALPA national. He said that now Moak's in, there is no chance of de-certification. I get the feeling that ATL based pilots have no interest in de-certifying ALPA. This is going to kill it alone.
10-23-2010, 08:11 AM
#1514
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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A Delta pilot based in ATL told a friend of mine that DPA was a threat to ALPA to get our own guy in charge of ALPA national. He said that now Moak's in, there is no chance of de-certification. I get the feeling that ATL based pilots have no interest in de-certifying ALPA. This is going to kill it alone.
10-23-2010, 10:05 AM
#1516
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Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
A Delta pilot based in ATL told a friend of mine that DPA was a threat to ALPA to get our own guy in charge of ALPA national. He said that now Moak's in, there is no chance of de-certification. I get the feeling that ATL based pilots have no interest in de-certifying ALPA. This is going to kill it alone.
10-23-2010, 10:34 AM
#1517
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,039
Maybe you are right. But for the sake of arguement, what possible advantage for DL pilots will come from Moak at ALPA national now? Will he refuse to sign off on another scope sale? Cause that would be helpful. Other than that, what implied super secret agenda will he carry out that Prater, Rice or whoever else would have done differently that will specifically help the DL pilots more?
10-23-2010, 10:35 AM
#1518
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
The DPA message ("message", because there is no plan) is based on assumptions.
Emotional pilots will buy into it. Anger is a powerful thing. Thinking pilots will recognize the pig-in-a-poke basis of DPA's "plan" and opt for imperfect, but repairable representation and services from ALPA.
Emotional pilots will buy into it. Anger is a powerful thing. Thinking pilots will recognize the pig-in-a-poke basis of DPA's "plan" and opt for imperfect, but repairable representation and services from ALPA.
10-23-2010, 10:41 AM
#1519
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 852
Of course you don't.
You have to know what you're looking for, first.
Prater's biggest failing was his handling of the USAirways-American West merger. Moak's biggest success was his handling of the Northwest-Delta merger. You can dismiss the leadership differences, and spend your time finding fault, but fortunately, there was someone who got the job done despite your superior plan for success.
You have to know what you're looking for, first.
Prater's biggest failing was his handling of the USAirways-American West merger. Moak's biggest success was his handling of the Northwest-Delta merger. You can dismiss the leadership differences, and spend your time finding fault, but fortunately, there was someone who got the job done despite your superior plan for success.
10-23-2010, 11:46 AM
#1520
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Maybe you are right. But for the sake of arguement, what possible advantage for DL pilots will come from Moak at ALPA national now? Will he refuse to sign off on another scope sale? Cause that would be helpful. Other than that, what implied super secret agenda will he carry out that Prater, Rice or whoever else would have done differently that will specifically help the DL pilots more?
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