DAL 88 Driver

Thank you. I'm looking forward to ACL's response.

cgull

"As for ALPA "capitulation " on the newhire 1500 hour proposal, someone send me a link where ALPA is saying that 500 hours is okay."

I am not sure if you will find it written. I believe it was a female RJ pilot representing ALPA at the ARC meetings that was advocating a waiver for those that attended schools like Embrey Riddle. I know that the staff at CAPA are familiar with it so call them.

Craig

80ktsClamp

I'm in agreement here.

Overall the bill is a step in the right direction. I honestly don't have a problem upping the flight time to 9 hours if it's one or 2 legs. The rest and duty stuff is a significant improvement.

The 500 hour ATP thing needs to be dealt a very quick death, though.

Carl Spackler

Yes, because it's a tactic used during negotiations. The airlines want more than anything to have the ability to do coast to coast turn arounds and east coast to deep within Europe. The current rule of 8 hours for a two man crew prevents that. All airline management needs is one more hour. They got it. Now you make the other side feel better about their MAJOR LOSS by agreeing to 9 other smaller things that are not nearly as important. Add to this that 1 hour increase flies in the face of the PURPOSE of this new regulation to begin with...that is, to REDUCE fatigue.

You should never fall for the old trick of agreeing to a big loss, so you can brag about all your other little meaningless victories.

Carl

80ktsClamp

I believe with the sign in times for yurop stuff that it will continue to be a 3 man operation.

Pineapple Guy

I know, Carl, that in your world we can just hold our breath, stomp our feet, thump our chests, and get EVERYTHING we want. It's easy, if we just had the cajones to do it. My bad...

Carl Spackler

It's called fighting back against what you believe is wrong. Sully wrote a beautiful letter protesting this new NPRM on FTDT, and others have as well as me. You can attempt to diminish those efforts by referring to them as chest thumping, stomping your feet and holding your breath, but it makes you look foolish...again.

Carl

acl65pilot

An apologist in my view is a person that sees no issues what-so-ever. I do not think that there is one person advocating for ALPA on here that does not see quite a few issues that need some serious attention.

I have realized that it is much harder to work towards a fix, than to just advocate change without answers. I used to throw the tomatoes from the cheap seats. It was fun and I thought I was always right.

Fact is that if the answers were easy we could just stomp our feet and snap our fingers. With the RLA we are truly hamstrung on what we can and cannot do. Some say it is because the MCF, but I recall APA getting nailed big time for a fine that they could not pay. It resulted in taking about 65 million dollars less in benefits at the table. Point is that it also hampers independents. It is the rules we live with today.

KC10 FATboy

I know I read this in the initial announcement that ALPA backed the committees recommendations. I had a hard time finding it. Perhaps the AP article was "edited" after it was published.

Nonetheless, ask and you shall receive.

Committee Challenges New 1500 Hr Requirement For FO's

"The Air Line Pilots Association backed the committee's recommendations, while the Coalition of Air Line Pilot Associations supported experience over even enhanced training."

contrails

Also of note is that DTW-NRT, for instance, now appears to be legal with just a 3-man crew as well.

I don't think that trickle down effect in staffing would be good.