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Old 10-17-2010, 05:19 PM
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Carl, now that you're a Delta pilot, the correct spelling is y'all
That's right. All y'all keep telling me that.

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Old 10-17-2010, 05:24 PM
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GE Capital also predicted AMR would file Chapter 11, and AAA would go Chapter 7.
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Actually, I think that was DAL mgmt that made those predictions.
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Old 10-17-2010, 05:42 PM
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Just read the Council 20 update about the election and actions taken by the BOD. Not the BOD actions nor any of the LEC's personal comments addressed scope or regaining flying. Not one word. They talked of pay, work rules, FFDO, etc...but nothing about scope.

This is the new BOD guys, and this is the current LEC officers. Has someone prohibited them from using the words scope or the regaining of flying?

In...frickin....credible!

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Old 10-17-2010, 05:59 PM
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I'll look forward to the debate. Now that we know who the top 3 in the organization are, I'll wait to see the start of the smear campaign against everyone involved. I hope I'm wrong...we'll see.

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Here is a link to an article about the founder, Tim Caplinger. No smear campaign here.
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Old 10-17-2010, 06:51 PM
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Flew with the guy that wrote it a few times... very enjoyable guy to fly with.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Interesting. You think he ignored the majors to get elected? I agree with you that he did...I'm just surprised to hear you admit it.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know that Lee wouldn't have won without near unanimous support from his own MEC (North and South) and the UAL MEC after Captain Rice dropped out. He also got the support of the Alaska MEC and the AirTran MEC in the end.

There will probably be ties to the international airlines which will make Lee strongly support cabotage and foreign ownership. That's my bet.
Much of Lee's campaign focused on preventing these things. I don't see him changing his tune.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. If you did, you'd know that Lee wouldn't have won without near unanimous support from his own MEC (North and South) and the UAL MEC after Captain Rice dropped out. He also got the support of the Alaska MEC and the AirTran MEC in the end.



Much of Lee's campaign focused on preventing these things. I don't see him changing his tune.

PCL.... I distinctly remember you strongly towing the line for Prater a few years ago. Not a good track record.
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Old 10-18-2010, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dckozak
I don't have a direct interest in this flight, but I would like to pose a few questions for those who do.

Who relaxed scope (pre 9/11 and BK) at both DAL and NWA??
Who will fix this problem, what (would) be the difference between ALPA (national) and an independent in solving this?
DL and NW did relax scope and it is up to us to fix the problem. I have stated on many prior post why independence vs. ALPA would be much better. I'm not going to continue to rehash it all again. Suffice it to say conflict of interest.

We have a society that has an aversion to taking responsibility for its own screw ups. Your pilots agreed to relaxed scope, not Comair pilots, ASA, or Mesba pilots. Only your group can solve this probelm and your group will profit or suffer from the result (or lack there of) of your solution.
You want to leave ALPA because its poorly run, bloated, or not cost affective, fine. Just remember ALPA is an association of unions, with your fellow airline pilots.
We are not an island in ALPA, we get advise from national. They have a heavy hand in molding our reps. Our reps seem to sing a different tune after indoc and service within ALPA. IMO, they seem to have more allegiance to ALPA, than our own pilots over time. Do you think they (national) are going to disseminate information to these associations or their reps that would be harmful to ALPA itself?


True, some ALPA groups fly under your colors, but again, they did not create themselves, you and your fellow pilots at DAL and NWA let these companies be. As an independent, you will flight the fight alone. Good luck and God speed!
Moak's last letter to us, RJ scope wasn't even mentioned as a threat, when he was giving a laundry list of current threats. WHY??? Was it to get elected??? Maybe. But why would I want to keep ALPA when it taints our own people? They lose sight of the membership for their own agenda. It seems RJ scope is becoming taboo for the ALPA elite to discuss. They are trying to walk a tightrope with the majors holding one end and the regionals holding the other.

As far as independence, I would rather fight alone than with ALPA's help. Look no further than ALPA supporting 500 hr. minimums at 121s instead of 1500 hr. Who needs enemies when you have friends like ALPA!

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Old 10-18-2010, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
As far as independence, I would rather fight alone than with ALPA's help. Look no further than ALPA supporting 500 hr. minimums at 121s instead of 1500 hr. Who needs enemies when you have friends like ALPA!
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Old 10-18-2010, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
PCL.... I distinctly remember you strongly towing the line for Prater a few years ago. Not a good track record.
Clamp...spot on. Then it was for Rice when he was told by his lawyer-handler in Herndon that Prater was toast. And now as an AirTran pilot and officer he supported Moak.

He also doesn't believe ALPA is supporting the watering down of the 1500 hour rule.

Ought to be interesting to see what happens in January when in full support of the ATN pilots, Lee cuts off further funding for negotiations since they're going to SWA...of course, ATN will be welcomed to assess the membership to support negotiations and the merger...

Remember what he told you..."You obviously don't know what you're talking about..."
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