hoserpilot

What does mailing a DPA card do for us? Does it just prove to management that were mad? Does is prove that we want different representation? Does it show the NMB that we want to vote for a new union? Many people don't know what it means to mail in a card. We owe it to them to explain what that means.

acl65pilot

Fine.

It means that you want to petition the NMB for a union vote on your airline property. In this case if 51% of the pilots at Delta Air Lines send in cards within one year, the NMB will hold a representational vote. There will be three options at a min.

ALPA

DPA

NONE

50% +1 of all pilots need to send in a card within one year for the NMB to consider a vote.

Pineapple Guy

I agree there are problems with national. I agree there are problems with the dues structure. Having said that, as acl states, ALPA has more good than bad. And it is fixable.

Gee, good idea. Why don't we let the US population vote on the compensation of the US President? Better yet, perhaps we should let our passengers vote on the salary of the cockpit crew? Would that be a good idea too? [/QUOTE]

fireman0174

Perhaps the lowest paid airlines should be a factor in the President's salary as an incentive to bring up the rear.

acl65pilot

Carl;
Just because something would be new or not yet created does not mean it would be better. I know many APA pilots and all of them would like to return to ALPA. They have their issues too.

Carl Spackler

I cannot imagine how you can think that given all that has been tried over the decades to reform ALPA national. Not only have they rejected any attempt at reform, as others have correctly stated...they've only gotten worse. More creatures of DC, less accountable to their members.

You may have the magic bullet that fixes ALPA. I don't think you're going to get the chance to find out. I think UAL/CAL is going to vote them out. I think ALPA national's attempt at portraying our budding in-house union as a secret attempt by secret people to re-arbitrate the SLI will backfire as yet another scare tactic, and DAL will vote them out too. When that happens, ALPA is the national representative for the regional airlines. Lee knows this...that's why his campaign letter never even mentioned scope or regional flying. He needed the majors' votes to get elected. But now that he's in, he needs to watch out for the regionals.

Carl

Karnak

Carl...the original Bubble Boy!

I wish every penny spent by ALPA, Delta, and the government was spent to make me happy and comfortable. I wish my priorities were given their proper placement...at the very top of the To Do list.

If ALPA just eliminated everything that didn't please Carl, this would be a better career...for Carl. A macro view with a shallow depth of field may make perfect sense to you, Carl, but those blurry parts beyond your focus are important to many of us.

Carl Spackler

Again, that response has nothing to do with what I wrote. What I wrote was:

You say you don't agree with much of ALPA's direction and policies. You don't know anything of the direction of DPA because they're not born yet. However, you reject DPA even though you know nothing about them, while desperately fighting to keep ALPA. The same ALPA that you disagree with on policy and direction. This is why I portrayed your view as nearly incoherent. Nowhere did I state that simply because DPA is new and not yet created, that is what will make DPA better than ALPA. If you care to respond, please focus on the above...no new subjects, just the above.

B.S.! I ride the jumpseat a LOT at American and I talk frequently about APA with the guys. They have their complaints like most people, but I've never run in to a single pilot that wants to return to ALPA...not one single American Airlines pilot. If AMR pilots wanted to return to ALPA, they could do so in less than one nanosecond. ALPA would think they had died and gone to heaven. AMR pilots haven't done that though... have they! The many APA pilots you say you know that ALL want to return to ALPA are an extremely slim minority at American. Extremely slim.

Do your friends have 1970's porn star moustaches? That could explain a lot.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Exactly the attitude that allows government to grow far too large and elected officials to forget who they work for. Exactly the attitude that keeps ALPA national from allowing any reform.

Who could ever disagree with your point that the blurry area beyond focus is what's really important.

Carl

tsquare

this^^^^^^^^