Delta Pilots Association
10-16-2010, 02:41 PM
#1201
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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No thanks, too much BS involved to get to the real meat and potatoes issues. I couldn't do what it takes to make it to the point where I could actually make a difference. I'm more Ross Perot (without the paranoia) than barry obama. Just fix the damned problem.. we ALL know what it is. But it takes committees and votes and BS just to get to the issue. SO Lee will soon be pulling down almost $500k... good for him. And that is why I keep saying that NOTHING will change.
Virtually every individual who finally gets off his a$$ and gets involved finds the solutions are not as obvious as it at first appears from the sidelines. But that doesn't (and shouldn't) stop good people from trying. To think it would be any different with DPA is wishful thinking, imo.
10-16-2010, 05:43 PM
#1202
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I agree we gave too much but have you heard of Eastern,Pan Am,Braniff etal ? Can you say for sure that DL/NW wouldn't have gone that route ? What we gave was based on each companies unique union needs,what NW gave was different than what DL gave. ALPA had nothing to do with the financial failures of our companies yet many on this web seem to think so,
Carl
10-16-2010, 05:54 PM
#1203
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If NPA etal are unhappy, others are quite happy with their choices and still say they want no part of ALPA. With regard to FDX, when they start seeing only 30 cents on every dollar of dues money returning to them, some might have a different perspective on whether ALPA is a bargain any more.
Carl
10-16-2010, 05:59 PM
#1204
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Redeye;
I am so glad you took the time to write that. Guys here do not believe what we are trying to tell them. As Johnso states, "The grass may be greener, but that is because it is on top of a septic tank."
Maybe if more of your guys and maybe an APA guy or two tells the woes of Independent Representation guys will start to understand what we have been saying for 1100 posts.
I am so glad you took the time to write that. Guys here do not believe what we are trying to tell them. As Johnso states, "The grass may be greener, but that is because it is on top of a septic tank."
Maybe if more of your guys and maybe an APA guy or two tells the woes of Independent Representation guys will start to understand what we have been saying for 1100 posts.
Many, many of us have been stating our fact based reasons why we've turned in the DPA card. That means nothing, but a guy or two from an independent union gets your attention?O......K.
Carl
10-16-2010, 06:04 PM
#1205
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Carl
10-16-2010, 06:10 PM
#1206
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So, tsquare, why do you think DPA will be any different, if those (like yourself) who have all the answers to fix everything refuse to get involved?
Virtually every individual who finally gets off his a$$ and gets involved finds the solutions are not as obvious as it at first appears from the sidelines. But that doesn't (and shouldn't) stop good people from trying. To think it would be any different with DPA is wishful thinking, imo.
Virtually every individual who finally gets off his a$$ and gets involved finds the solutions are not as obvious as it at first appears from the sidelines. But that doesn't (and shouldn't) stop good people from trying. To think it would be any different with DPA is wishful thinking, imo.
Many, many people who get involved with ALPA see the solutions very clearly, but are silenced by motions to table, roll call votes, and many other morally bankrupt maneuvers to ensure that NOTHING EVER CHANGES! That's why many, many good people get involved in ALPA, then leave when they see the self serving bureaucracy for what it is. No different than the Teamsters under Hoffa.
Tsquare said it best: "The beast lives to eat."
Carl
10-16-2010, 06:12 PM
#1207
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Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Has nothing to do with a personal desire there Carl. I would volunteer for whatever group represents this group.
Doing volunteer work has made me realize a lot of what PG stated. The answers are not always cut and dry. I have also realized that it is a lot harder to volunteer, and work for a common goal then to throw tomatoes from the cheap seats. I did, that and was one upped. I was told if I did not like it to get involved, I did.
I still do not agree with every policy decision, or direction that ALPA takes. What I agree with is that we get more from ALPA than we would from an independent. That does not take away from the fact that certain things need to be changed.
The minimal work I have done has made me realize that ALPA does more good than bad, and the issues though many are solvable with the right ppl. Again, I could care less about personal gain. It is about buying the best representation our money can buy. Reread what the FedEx guy stated. Also they also send the same percentage to National.
If you want we can keep all of that money then get itemized for every minute of legal, professional, or committee advice and guidance we get. We do not pay extra for that, it is part of the 2/3rds. I know this will not make a darn bit of difference for you, but that is reality.
Doing volunteer work has made me realize a lot of what PG stated. The answers are not always cut and dry. I have also realized that it is a lot harder to volunteer, and work for a common goal then to throw tomatoes from the cheap seats. I did, that and was one upped. I was told if I did not like it to get involved, I did.
I still do not agree with every policy decision, or direction that ALPA takes. What I agree with is that we get more from ALPA than we would from an independent. That does not take away from the fact that certain things need to be changed.
The minimal work I have done has made me realize that ALPA does more good than bad, and the issues though many are solvable with the right ppl. Again, I could care less about personal gain. It is about buying the best representation our money can buy. Reread what the FedEx guy stated. Also they also send the same percentage to National.
If you want we can keep all of that money then get itemized for every minute of legal, professional, or committee advice and guidance we get. We do not pay extra for that, it is part of the 2/3rds. I know this will not make a darn bit of difference for you, but that is reality.
10-16-2010, 06:14 PM
#1208
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Keep voting for reps that share your views. They are still voting their conscience. They still voice their concerns, and hold their ground. Progress is being made. I am sorry if it is not as quick as most demand.
10-16-2010, 06:19 PM
#1209
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
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Posts: 12,109
No.. but I can guarantee you it ain't a paycut from what the fat moustache made. And I can guarantee you that the car and mortgage payment are there too.... and that's enough for me. I'm glad you think it's acceptable. It makes me sick to my stomach.
10-16-2010, 06:24 PM
#1210
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
You are, as usual groundskeeper, wrong.
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