Delta Pilots Association
10-15-2010, 12:10 PM
#1171
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Would the ALPA supporters please explain how supporting 500 hours of flight time benefits any pilot in the whole industry. I already knew they didn't represent our interest. No employed 121 pilot should now be happy with ALPA. Everyone please wake up and support an alternative. Who again is on the correct side of the argument? Independent unions!
10-15-2010, 12:22 PM
#1172
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Would the ALPA supporters please explain how supporting 500 hours of flight time benefits any pilot in the whole industry. I already knew they didn't represent our interest. No employed 121 pilot should now be happy with ALPA. Everyone please wake up and support an alternative. Who again is on the correct side of the argument? Independent unions!
That is something I want to ask Prater.
I do not support it either. A few hundred hrs less, but this is 1/3 the requirement of an ATP. I went to one of these schools and that stuff does not cut it compared to flight time.
There are plenty of pilots that will do just fine with this hr requirement, but when making a blanket law, it needs to protect the public from the dolts, and 500 hrs does not come close.
FWIW, it is not about blindly supporting to guys in there, it is about supporting the structure and clout. I disagree with a great many things at National, but that does not mean I think option B is better. ( I know nothing about the current option B)
10-15-2010, 12:27 PM
#1173
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,016
There's not much at ALPA national that I do believe in. I sent my card in. I'm not sure I'll vote DPA if there's actually a vote, but I'd like to see the other options. Hearing Lee Moak with my own ears say he had no interest in running for national sent me over the edge.
Last edited by hockeypilot44; 10-15-2010 at 01:51 PM.
DPA card just mailed.
10-15-2010, 04:08 PM
#1175
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
My DPA card has been lazily doodling on my desk... Meant to send it in but havent gotten around to it. Thanks to the 500 hour thing... as soon as I get home the card is being sent in ASAP.
DO YOU HEAR THIS, DALPA?
DO YOU HEAR THIS, DALPA?
10-15-2010, 04:12 PM
#1176
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
You post this and I'm the ignorant one? You know absolutely nothing of what you write above. Nothing.
Again, quite typical of you. You talk of things you know nothing about, while accusing others of doing it. Is that what they teach you in management suck-up class?
Carl
Again, quite typical of you. You talk of things you know nothing about, while accusing others of doing it. Is that what they teach you in management suck-up class?
Carl
10-15-2010, 04:26 PM
#1177
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
If you want a reply from me, try to focus on one subject and do the best you can to describe what you are thinking and trying to ask. Let's try just one thing at a time. Baby steps first.
Carl
10-15-2010, 04:27 PM
#1178
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Carl
10-15-2010, 04:44 PM
#1179
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B-7ER JFK
Posts: 931
, he knows the unevitable fact that we are not staying with ALPA. His pay will be from the guys who fly half of DAL's passengers, but should have been $0,- , and will be $0,- , if we fight against Scope...
10-15-2010, 05:17 PM
#1180
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,902
That is something I want to ask Prater.
I do not support it either. A few hundred hrs less, but this is 1/3 the requirement of an ATP. I went to one of these schools and that stuff does not cut it compared to flight time.
There are plenty of pilots that will do just fine with this hr requirement, but when making a blanket law, it needs to protect the public from the dolts, and 500 hrs does not come close.
FWIW, it is not about blindly supporting to guys in there, it is about supporting the structure and clout. I disagree with a great many things at National, but that does not mean I think option B is better. ( I know nothing about the current option B)
I do not support it either. A few hundred hrs less, but this is 1/3 the requirement of an ATP. I went to one of these schools and that stuff does not cut it compared to flight time.
There are plenty of pilots that will do just fine with this hr requirement, but when making a blanket law, it needs to protect the public from the dolts, and 500 hrs does not come close.
FWIW, it is not about blindly supporting to guys in there, it is about supporting the structure and clout. I disagree with a great many things at National, but that does not mean I think option B is better. ( I know nothing about the current option B)
Heyas ACL,
The rationalization that will be given is that ALPA had to be part of the process to have input as to what was going to happen anyway.
If you talk to some of the "strategic" thinkers... they will tell you that the MPL was just a matter of time, no way to stop it, and that ALPA had to be part of crafting the solution...and if this sounds suspiciously like the age 65 thing, you would be completely correct.
The Colgan accident fallout has NOT changed their thinking at all, and the legislation is just a speed bump...as soon as people found their RJ flights to East Butthole canceled on Xmas Eve because of crew shortages (it will be sold as such, NOT that there is a shortage of people willing working for crap wages), and the MPL would appear overnight.
Rather than an opportunity to really get some industry change going, it is simply squandered to "be part of a solution". Never mind the solution is bad.
Some things ARE worth fighting for...
Nu
Last edited by NuGuy; 10-15-2010 at 05:32 PM.
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