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10-14-2010, 08:10 AM
#1131
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10-14-2010, 08:34 AM
#1132
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Well I have to say, that the Compensation Committee has not delivered their report to the BOD to vote on. That is where Lee's pay will be determined and then ratified by the whole group. I do hope that these politically savvy pilots realize that this needs to happen now. Not holding my breath, but hopeful.
I also know that in the last round of elections last fall, many of the councils elected a great deal of free thinkers. T- your election is up now. Vote. I have been thoroughly impressed with all of my reps and their ability to call balls and strikes when it counts. As we elect more people on the LEC level the change happens. It is slow and timely, but quite possible. Pilots first must be willing to vote and demand accountability of their reps. When this happens it moves uphill.
There will be a new MEC without the former MEC in the running this time. That is a great chance for new faces to run. I suspect we will see a few older faces join the campaign, some same faces, and some new faces. It would be wise for all of the candidates to court the pilots and not just the voting reps. There is opportunity for some change here. I say we use it.
This will result in 2/3rds of the voting reps changing in the last two years, a new MEC who will be at the BOD putting our agenda forward. At that time there is true opportunity. I like you want to see this cycle though and give it a chance.
There will be a new MEC without the former MEC in the running this time. That is a great chance for new faces to run. I suspect we will see a few older faces join the campaign, some same faces, and some new faces. It would be wise for all of the candidates to court the pilots and not just the voting reps. There is opportunity for some change here. I say we use it.
This will result in 2/3rds of the voting reps changing in the last two years, a new MEC who will be at the BOD putting our agenda forward. At that time there is true opportunity. I like you want to see this cycle though and give it a chance.
10-14-2010, 08:38 AM
#1133
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Carl
10-14-2010, 08:42 AM
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The new president is a man who wrote an extremely lengthy campaign letter...and never mentioned scope once! If one were smart, one would see that.
How's that internal reform starting out for ya!
Carl
10-14-2010, 09:16 AM
#1135
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This is so typical of you alfa. You only use the side of the story that suits you. Everyone knows management has the exclusive rights to merge. Why did Delta come asking for help when USAir was trying to merge? Because management didn't want it and they hoped you could scare them away by threatening to be union goons! It worked!
Management has exclusive rights, but so do unions. Unions just have to be gutsy enough to use their exclusive rights. Not just be management suck-ups lilke you.
Carl
Management has exclusive rights, but so do unions. Unions just have to be gutsy enough to use their exclusive rights. Not just be management suck-ups lilke you.
Carl
We do have exclusive rights on some things. For instance our Scope section regarding mergers was not gutted. We had min block hour requirements that Airways was going to blow through when they cut out our entire MD-88 fleet. We told the creditors that we would hold them to our contract which had now been affirmed by the bankruptcy court and was not subject to additional 1113.
In this deal, management merely needed to comply with the contractual provisions in our contract regarding block hours. We also had some other contractual rights, none of which would have nixed the deal or even been a major impediment. Our agreement helped accelerate the rate of return from the merger and we took a portion of those profits in contractual gains and in stock, something that had NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. I urge you and your tough guy friends to read your contract and find out what rights you do and do not have in case of a merger.
Really, you huff and puff and thump your chest here, but you really are ignorant about many things. Never seems to stop you from bloviating though.
10-14-2010, 10:31 AM
#1136
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I don't appreciate you calling all of our junior first officers "almost RJ lifers." I flew 50 seat regional jets for 3 1/2 years. I was never even close to being an RJ lifer. I would have quit aviation altogether before my 30th birthday if I believed that to be the case. The fact that myself and many others filled out many applications and did give up our super-seniority at our regional should prove that we're not almost RJ lifers. Most regional jet lifers have never even tried to leave or are under-qualified to leave. We are neither. I'm on the verge of sending my card in to DPA. It's your insulting posts that are holding me back. How involved are you in DPA? I'm not going to support you if you're just going to blame and insult anyone that ever flew a regional jet.
10-14-2010, 12:58 PM
#1137
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If one were really smart, they would see that has been attempted for decades and ALPA beats back all challenges.
The new president is a man who wrote an extremely lengthy campaign letter...and never mentioned scope once! If one were smart, one would see that.
How's that internal reform starting out for ya!
Carl
The new president is a man who wrote an extremely lengthy campaign letter...and never mentioned scope once! If one were smart, one would see that.
How's that internal reform starting out for ya!
Carl
The only campaign literature I received was from John Prater. Other than that I only heard rumors that a DL guy, UA guy and a FDX guy were running against Prater. Not until the announcement or the forums had I seen confirmation of this.
But from everything I have heard and seen in reference to Moak, it wouldn't surprise me if his audience for the campaign was VERY specifically targeted. The RJ pilots must be loving the new ALPA president-elect because he certainly loves them. (NOTE: That is NOT a slam against the RJ pilots themselves, but against his position that outsourcing is a good thing which hurts all pilots at all levels.)
10-14-2010, 01:11 PM
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Carl, each post you show your ignorance more and more. Tell me, tough guy, what did you get from the NWA/REP merger other than the chance to screw over green book guys for 20 years? Did the union have any veto rights over the deal? Did the union even know the deal was in the works until it was announced?
Carl
10-14-2010, 01:20 PM
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I don't appreciate you calling all of our junior first officers "almost RJ lifers." I flew 50 seat regional jets for 3 1/2 years. I was never even close to being an RJ lifer. I would have quit aviation altogether before my 30th birthday if I believed that to be the case. The fact that myself and many others filled out many applications and did give up our super-seniority at our regional should prove that we're not almost RJ lifers. Most regional jet lifers have never even tried to leave or are under-qualified to leave. We are neither. I'm on the verge of sending my card in to DPA. It's your insulting posts that are holding me back. How involved are you in DPA? I'm not going to support you if you're just going to blame and insult anyone that ever flew a regional jet.
You need to re-read my posts...if you care to be accurate. I refer to people in those terms who blame everyone else but themselves for this situation. I've never backed away from the 50% of the blame I must carry for being part of the majors who gave scope away. Far too many former RJ guys take none of the blame for their role in working under those horrible conditions and undercutting the profession. If that insults you, I have no apology.
And if the only thing holding you back from filling out a DPA card are my "insults", you need to rethink things.
Carl
10-14-2010, 01:22 PM
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This is the second or third time on this thread that you mentioned LM's campaign letter. Was this an internal letter for the eyes of Delta pilots only?
The only campaign literature I received was from John Prater. Other than that I only heard rumors that a DL guy, UA guy and a FDX guy were running against Prater. Not until the announcement or the forums had I seen confirmation of this.
But from everything I have heard and seen in reference to Moak, it wouldn't surprise me if his audience for the campaign was VERY specifically targeted. The RJ pilots must be loving the new ALPA president-elect because he certainly loves them. (NOTE: That is NOT a slam against the RJ pilots themselves, but against his position that outsourcing is a good thing which hurts all pilots at all levels.)
The only campaign literature I received was from John Prater. Other than that I only heard rumors that a DL guy, UA guy and a FDX guy were running against Prater. Not until the announcement or the forums had I seen confirmation of this.
But from everything I have heard and seen in reference to Moak, it wouldn't surprise me if his audience for the campaign was VERY specifically targeted. The RJ pilots must be loving the new ALPA president-elect because he certainly loves them. (NOTE: That is NOT a slam against the RJ pilots themselves, but against his position that outsourcing is a good thing which hurts all pilots at all levels.)
Carl
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