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Old 02-11-2019, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
And a lot of you youngsters will fail it. Just sayin'.
Maybe so. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is in the interest of aviation safety
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:09 AM
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Maybe so. I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is in the interest of aviation safety
Just be careful what you wish for.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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Just be careful what you wish for.
Again, I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is. Same for things like including commutes in duty calcs. We are all about safety first, right?
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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Again, I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is. Same for things like including commutes in duty calcs. We are all about safety first, right?
If we are so concerned about fatigue and safety then why don’t we go a step further and evaluate what time people wake up on the first day of the trip and what they do during that day? Seems reasonable, doesn’t it? Perhaps we could all wear i-watches that would track out movements. Then of course we’ll have to do away with red-eyes and early shows. Oh, and let’s make it more difficult to get a medical! Yeah, that’s freakin’ genius.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:46 AM
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IMHO, the biggest threat is not sudden incapacitation. The biggest threat for near mid 60's and above pilots is fatigue.

There are plenty of sharp guys who could pass a sim check with their buddy company Examiner at 10am after a good cup of coffee. Not so much nearing the 14-16th hour of a duty day very late.

Seen enough guys at that age run out of gas and sleep patterns get more difficult to adjust.

Give them the 0200-0600 Sim slot and post the results.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
IMHO, the biggest threat is not sudden incapacitation. The biggest threat for near mid 60's and above pilots is fatigue.

There are plenty of sharp guys who could pass a sim check with their buddy company Examiner at 10am after a good cup of coffee. Not so much nearing the 14-16th hour of a duty day very late.

Seen enough guys at that age run out of gas and sleep patterns get more difficult to adjust.

Give them the 0200-0600 Sim slot and post the results.
We are up, bright eyed and bushy tailed at 0200. Noon not so much.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:25 AM
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Really?
Yes... really.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
We are up, bright eyed and bushy tailed at 0200. Noon not so much.
There’s the problem.....bushy tails.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:09 PM
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There’s the problem.....bushy tails.
I'll stand corrected regarding certain things that will enable a top level of alertness at any hour.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
IMHO, the biggest threat is not sudden incapacitation. The biggest threat for near mid 60's and above pilots is fatigue.

There are plenty of sharp guys who could pass a sim check with their buddy company Examiner at 10am after a good cup of coffee. Not so much nearing the 14-16th hour of a duty day very late.

Seen enough guys at that age run out of gas and sleep patterns get more difficult to adjust.

Give them the 0200-0600 Sim slot and post the results.
After 12 hours of duty, performance for most people starts to drop off dramatically. So I’m ready to call fatigued at any moment after that 12 hour mark, period.
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