Retirement at age 70
#92
I forgot where I found it and watched it but in Russia, they give their pilots medical exams before they fly. If they start it here in the US then might as well go big and make the retirement age 100(65-70- soon 75).
"By the group's estimates women would to live to be 89 to 94 on average instead of the government's estimate of 83 to 85 years. For men, the group expects they will live to be 83 to 86 instead of the government's projection of 80 years average life expectancy in 2050. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ActiveA...ory?id=9330511
http://everydaytipsandthoughts.com/h...-non-drinkers/
"By the group's estimates women would to live to be 89 to 94 on average instead of the government's estimate of 83 to 85 years. For men, the group expects they will live to be 83 to 86 instead of the government's projection of 80 years average life expectancy in 2050. "
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ActiveA...ory?id=9330511
http://everydaytipsandthoughts.com/h...-non-drinkers/
#94
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Let's not waste bandwith arguing the unarguable: raising the retirement age is simply an attempt by a portion of older guys trying to shift the burden of their poor planning, or the collapse of their pie-in-the-sky dreams, onto another generation.
Instead, show me who is in favor of further increases, and help me link with the majority of pilots, who CLEARLY do not want such an abomination to occur, so that we stop any such move.
Now... I looked at Rice's comments on ALPA TV, and I didn't see anything to suggest he was advocating this. He was simply stating, among other nasty challenges we face, that there could be discussions on the topic as a shortage develops... BUT THAT AGE 70 IS NOT A SOLUTION.
At any rate, let us the majority not focus on winning on our prose on the subject: let us be just as effective in killing any such measure, with all the cunning, aggression, and drive, as the *** ******** that forced 65 on us in the first place.
Instead, show me who is in favor of further increases, and help me link with the majority of pilots, who CLEARLY do not want such an abomination to occur, so that we stop any such move.
Now... I looked at Rice's comments on ALPA TV, and I didn't see anything to suggest he was advocating this. He was simply stating, among other nasty challenges we face, that there could be discussions on the topic as a shortage develops... BUT THAT AGE 70 IS NOT A SOLUTION.
At any rate, let us the majority not focus on winning on our prose on the subject: let us be just as effective in killing any such measure, with all the cunning, aggression, and drive, as the *** ******** that forced 65 on us in the first place.
#95
Seriously though, I recently flew with a 63 yrs old Capt on a 2250 local report time for a 10:30 hrs duty, 2 sector night. He looked like he was 66 yrs old at check-in and looked like 74 yrs old on check-out. I could see that a few years ago he would've been absolutely brilliant, but that time had passed. I got to hear the story about the 3 ex-wives and the 5 kids. What does that have to do with safety?
This topic should be related strictly to safety and nothing else. What some seem to be saying is that there's safe and then there's safe enough. The quote above from gloopy sums it up, IMO.
This topic should be related strictly to safety and nothing else. What some seem to be saying is that there's safe and then there's safe enough. The quote above from gloopy sums it up, IMO.
BTW gloopy got it wrong. It was the political back room deal between C.R. Smith and Elwood R. Quesada that brought the retirement age to 60. Changing the age to 65 only helps to correct the injustice of an unwarranted intrusion by a government entity into a citizen’s right to earn a living.
#96
You're kidding yourself if you think you're still "good" at it. Your vision and reflexes may be enough to get you past a sim check, but that's a long way from being good. The fact that you don't get that is troubling. My experience has been that the really good guys who were 60, were the ones that wanted to leave because they could see their changes for the worse. The ones that actually thought they were still good, always wanted to hang on to the bitter end.
If the law had mandated that you go to the bottom of the list, then I would believe you. 6 legs a day on a DC-9 for 19 days a month would show me that you're doing this for love.
Carl
If the law had mandated that you go to the bottom of the list, then I would believe you. 6 legs a day on a DC-9 for 19 days a month would show me that you're doing this for love.
Carl
#97
#98
Law enforcement agencies often require applicants to be 23...it's about judgement, perspective, and impulsiveness. I imagine a jury would laugh you out of court...unlike many other topics where juries have no basis for their decision making we have all been THERE before.
That's kind of like 15 year-olds filing a class action lawsuit because they can't drink, smoke, and drive.
Also it's easier for folks who are too young to just wait a couple of years rather than sue.
That's kind of like 15 year-olds filing a class action lawsuit because they can't drink, smoke, and drive.
Also it's easier for folks who are too young to just wait a couple of years rather than sue.
#99
You're kidding yourself if you think you're still "good" at it. Your vision and reflexes may be enough to get you past a sim check, but that's a long way from being good. The fact that you don't get that is troubling. My experience has been that the really good guys who were 60, were the ones that wanted to leave because they could see their changes for the worse. The ones that actually thought they were still good, always wanted to hang on to the bitter end.
If the law had mandated that you go to the bottom of the list, then I would believe you. 6 legs a day on a DC-9 for 19 days a month would show me that you're doing this for love.Carl
If the law had mandated that you go to the bottom of the list, then I would believe you. 6 legs a day on a DC-9 for 19 days a month would show me that you're doing this for love.Carl
I have done 6 legs a day on a DC9 and now I do 3 or 4 on a 737. Fortunately for me and much to your chargrin there is no law that mandates I go back to the bottom of the list (been there before) and having earned that priviledge makes the job now all the more fun.
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