A-320 Single Engine Taxi out Myth Busters
08-03-2010, 05:57 AM
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Single engine taxi = a joke. You save fuel... and the extra $$$ goes straight to management bonuses. When you Delta boys start getting bonuses as a result of SE taxi, THEN do it.
I've lost count the amount of times I've gotten severe turbulence on the ground as a result of sitting behind a Europe-bound DL 763 crossbleeding or getting breakaway thrust single engine. No common sense whatsoever. Is your paycheck getting fatter every time you do it?
Two engine taxi is much safer, less workload on the f/o.... running the APU through T/O for an extra generator = even more safety. On landing, start the APU for extra cooling... run the APU at the gate at all times to supplement the ground air (if you even have ground air, which is rare here at AA.) Common sense folks!
If the Co wants fuel savings... FUPM!!
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I've lost count the amount of times I've gotten severe turbulence on the ground as a result of sitting behind a Europe-bound DL 763 crossbleeding or getting breakaway thrust single engine. No common sense whatsoever. Is your paycheck getting fatter every time you do it?
Two engine taxi is much safer, less workload on the f/o.... running the APU through T/O for an extra generator = even more safety. On landing, start the APU for extra cooling... run the APU at the gate at all times to supplement the ground air (if you even have ground air, which is rare here at AA.) Common sense folks!
If the Co wants fuel savings... FUPM!!
73
08-03-2010, 06:28 AM
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Single engine taxi = a joke. You save fuel... and the extra $$$ goes straight to management bonuses. When you Delta boys start getting bonuses as a result of SE taxi, THEN do it.
....Two engine taxi is much safer, less workload on the f/o.... running the APU through T/O for an extra generator = even more safety. On landing, start the APU for extra cooling... run the APU at the gate at all times to supplement the ground air (if you even have ground air, which is rare here at AA.) Common sense folks!
If the Co wants fuel savings... FUPM!!
73
....Two engine taxi is much safer, less workload on the f/o.... running the APU through T/O for an extra generator = even more safety. On landing, start the APU for extra cooling... run the APU at the gate at all times to supplement the ground air (if you even have ground air, which is rare here at AA.) Common sense folks!
If the Co wants fuel savings... FUPM!!
73
APA - 1800+ furloughs
DAL - 0 furloughs, actively hiring.
Now let's review some recent history.*
APA - first to the concession stand in 2003. No snapbacks and no progress over three years of contract negotiation.
DAL - Bankrupt company, $1.3 billion in cash paid to pilots for concessions (ALPA Claim), DAL current wage rates exceed many AMR rates and will exceed all AMR rates in January. DAL pilots own 5.6% of the company (present value $600 million) due to NWA merger. Profit sharing of $90 million booked for this year( note some of that is probably from SE taxi
). Reviewing the 2nd quarter corporate numbers, DAL's operating margin and free cash flow looks pretty impressive compared to AMR. I want more, too, but after reviewing the numbers I can really understand why you're "fupm." I'll need some help in figuring out how your "strategy" is going to get you there. I hope your new APA officers can move the ball forward...it'll help all of us.Again, thanks for sharing!
*We could go back to the "B" scale, or Judge Kendall, or your "strike" for other references if you'd like...
08-03-2010, 06:34 AM
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Doesn't single engine taxi on a A320/319 mean you'll have the hydraulic PTU doing its thing the whole time until the other engine is up?
Just saying, you'll have plenty of passengers thinking that a poor dog is yapping away or that something is broke on the plane. Might as well give a heads up
Just saying, you'll have plenty of passengers thinking that a poor dog is yapping away or that something is broke on the plane. Might as well give a heads up
08-03-2010, 06:36 AM
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Good points, and now you understand why we don't SE taxi. If you pilots were in the same boat as us, you wouldn't either. Didn't know you guys got profit sharing... we do too, but only if the Co shows a $500M net profit, which (magically) they always come up short.
08-03-2010, 06:37 AM
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Nice post reddog, and thanks for putting in the effort to track it. I agree, that the biggest myth is the one you exposed below. If we had 50 or 60 airplanes you might me able to say that it's not making much of a difference. But, if I'm not mistaken, we're hovering in the 850 range of aircraft (not counting the W.O. RJ's) And your numbers are based on the "small bus", one of our leaner burning aircraft. Extrapolate that to include the "big bus", 75/6, 777 and "whale"....that's some serious dollars.
Please forward this to your fleet manager and S.D.
Please forward this to your fleet manager and S.D.
08-03-2010, 06:56 AM
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08-03-2010, 07:14 AM
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Richard H. Anderson - CEO
Thanks, Jill. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on the call today. This morning we announced a profit of $549 million for the June quarter. This is a $748 million improvement year-on-year. Our operating margin of 11.4% is the best we've posted in a decade.
I want to thank the Delta team for their hard work and dedication. Their efforts have gotten the company to a place where we can post these levels of profits in the early stages of a global economic recovery. It's Delta's longstanding commitment to share the company's success with the people who make that success a reality, so I am happy to announce that our results include $90 million in expense for profit sharing that will be paid out to our employees.
Thanks, Jill. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on the call today. This morning we announced a profit of $549 million for the June quarter. This is a $748 million improvement year-on-year. Our operating margin of 11.4% is the best we've posted in a decade.
I want to thank the Delta team for their hard work and dedication. Their efforts have gotten the company to a place where we can post these levels of profits in the early stages of a global economic recovery. It's Delta's longstanding commitment to share the company's success with the people who make that success a reality, so I am happy to announce that our results include $90 million in expense for profit sharing that will be paid out to our employees.
DAL "proft sharing" straight off the first dollar.
Q1 loss = $192 mil.
Q2 gain = $639 mil. (add net profit + $90 mil. for profit sharing expense taken)
YTD gain= $447 mil.
Q3 is projected to be better than Q2 (WAG 700), and assuming Q4 will be meager if any profit.
90/447 = x/(447+700)
x= 235.57 mil. = PS for 2010.
Pilot payroll is approx. 1/3 of of total "eligible employee" wage pool:
235.57 * 1/3 = $78.523 mil
It will likely result in just over 5% per pilot, and we get DC contribution in addition.
So to answer your question, YES, SE taxi can make a difference in my paycheck.
(Even if it is only to offset you running one at the top of the J-line waiting for marshallers at JFK, it all adds up over time.)
08-03-2010, 08:15 AM
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With the PTU pb sw in the AUTO position: The PTU is inhibited during the first engine start and automatically tested during the second engine start.
I'd say it's a problem if it doesn't make that noise.
08-03-2010, 08:29 AM
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I'm actually glad you made this statement, because as a bus fo I'm trying to get more SE taxis to occur and I need proof it can he done.
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