eaglefly

Whenever the 190 flowthrough (years ?), it'll still only tally up to 2/3 of the job protections AA pilots got out of the deal. Some like X, refuse to accept this reality, choosing instead to blame Eagle pilots for simply breathing air.

It's always been that way and probabaly always will.

Flyby1206

So everyone got a great deal, perfect! Next topic

willflyforcash

Completely irrelevant. This industry is governed by seniority, not sympathy. Does it suck being furloughed for 7+ years? I couldn't even begin to imagine, and while I empathize with the furloughees, I do not support bypassing senior AA seniority numbers (Eagle FTs) to recall guys (nAAtive furloughees) with more junior AA seniority numbers.

X Rated

Jake,

Perhaps in your pursuit of bananas you missed the comparison--when the TWA pilots showed up on the AMR property, they brought aircraft with them. Why that entitles an Eagle-type to a flowthru slot is beyond me. But instead, what it did was extend the TWA pilots' furlough.

The TWA debacle worked especially well for Eagle as it provided them more flowthru slots....that don't expire.

So again, I say, TWA pilots brought aircraft to AA...Eagle pilots brought...nothing.

X

Mason32

He may be pursuing banana's, but at least he isn't comparing apples and grapefruit like you did. What a flowthrough slot has to do with an acquisition is beyond me. The pilots did not bring aircraft, the purchase of TWA brought aircraft... one could just as easily argue that we got TWA pilots forced on us when all we wanted was the equipment, slots and routes..... I'm not stating that is the case, just that somebody could make that arguement and it would make more sense than the comparison you made about the flowthroughs.

Yeah, if you mean that the folks who got stuck in the right seat by making room for our flowbacks, got compensated by getting the flowthrough number as if they HAD become CJ captains when they should have in the first place, then I'd have to agree with you. There realyl was/is no right way to fix this issue. Both pilot groups have so many factions with different priorities that I'm surprised a solution was found at all.

Disagree, see above.

Instead of crying over spilt milk, why not try and make the best of an all around bad situation. Since the Sup.W decision essentially puts 1/2 of the Eagle pilot list on track to be APA members, why are we still playing them against us. The arbitrator, right wrong or someplace in the middle, just essentially made it one list without calling it one list... the only people not playing are basically the Eagle FO's.

Make it one list, they dump ALPA and join APA. We benefit by getting one list, and one pilot group to negotiate without having them just shift flying to Eagle. Eagle becomes our entry level pilot position, scrape the word Eagle off the side of the jets and slap on "Airlines." Take their existing contract and incorporate it as a subsection for "American Airlines Regional Flying." The company gets to keep their lower cost feed, they get to save huge money by ending the endless duplication of running two part 121 airlines side by side... and we get a bunch of the things we've been wanting. I'm skipping over tons of the smaller details, but the big stakes get taken care of this way... someplace down the line the fences go away as we all retire, and we leave this pilot group a better place than when we found it....

eaglefly

Huh ????????

When the TWA pilots showed up on the AMR property, they were initially considered NOT to have flowback rights to Eagle per Suppliment W. The APA fought for those rights (and prevailed), yet you believe that in exchange for these pilots to have flowback captains' rights at Eagle, Eagle pilots should NOT have equivilent flowthru rights because of these new pilots inclusion ?

Additional flowthru slots for Eagle pilots due to TWA weren't because of any aircraft brought to AA, but because these new pilots were given flowBACK rights at Eagle. The agreement(s) were intended to benefit both sides equally with protections for a X number of AA pilots and advancement for an equal number of Eagle pilots, although the APA attempted to strip them of even that.

I think you've been eating too much fruit as your blood sugar level is totally out of whack.

Time to go see the doc, X.

Romulus

Sold off to Skywest or Republic? Good job security.

B757200ER

Oh, really? You think anyone else in this industry agrees with regional pilots with seniority numbers to flow thru (who haven't been actually hired at the major yet) would automatically take precedence for employment prior to actual major airline pilots who were furloughed, and not yet recalled?

I'm all for seniority, and if Eagle FTs came up to AA after all AA pilots were recalled, they'd be senior. But to hire these FTs without having recalled 1700 AA pilots who have been on the street 7+ years? You're smoking crack, pipe. Also, the APA contract was violated, regardless of an arbitrary decision, by allowing pilots who had never been at the major company to be hired before furloughed pilots who had been at the major were recalled from furlough.

Relevant? You bet. Noone outside AMR Eagle or the senile arbitrator would agree with this 'decision'.

eaglefly

But, just like the TWA seniority integration, it's one the furloughees (mostly TWA) will have to live with. Not even the Eagle flowthroughs have a choice in this.

You can continue to cry to the heavens about the inequeties of life, but where is it getting you ?

AceOnTheRiver

LOL, seriously, you think a TWA pilot who never worked for AMR and is junior, should be at AA prior to the FT who has always worked at AMR and is senior? The arbitrator even asked what the total seniority of the TWA pilots using all of their TWA time to see if they were senior to the 244 FT's in time spent on the job. The answer came back negative and so he couldn't justify the effects of the APA TWA merger in his remedy. Sovich had it right when he said seniority rules. If APA had the integrity to stand up for that then all this silly whining would be over and done with years ago.
I highly doubt the 209 FT's that are left will significantly delay the return of the furloughs. While AE cannot withhold the 209, you can expect them to limit their transfer until the arbitrator rules against them.