AA Recall Rumor
08-05-2010, 10:42 PM
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08-06-2010, 04:17 AM
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Because, everyone knows AA won't recall furloughees anytime soon, only 'hire' Eagle flow-thrus to cover any staff shortages----which there aren't. So, in essence, recalls are a joke---they aren't going to happen.
AMR may have no interest in any of these issues---but they sure had a hand in creating these messes. They made up their bed---and now they have to sleep in it.
AMR may have no interest in any of these issues---but they sure had a hand in creating these messes. They made up their bed---and now they have to sleep in it.
08-06-2010, 06:56 AM
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They HAVE to offer recalls to the group re-furloughed and any more senior stand-in's that want to come back prior to moving any of the 190 flowthroughs still waiting at Eagle. I think there are 80-something of first group and who knows who many stand-in's, so perhaps 100-200 AA furloughees of varying seniority will come first. Then after a measly 190 flowthrough's, it's all furloughees and the whole flowthrough thing doesn't exist anymore...........well, at least the original agreement.
08-06-2010, 10:20 AM
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I don't know of any of the flow-thrus that are currently unemployed, but the furloughees are.
08-06-2010, 02:12 PM
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The real blame for the furlough situation was on the APA's faliure to ensure all flanking moves by AMR were covered regarding acquisition of RJ's by Eagle. Had they done that, they would have had another bite at the apple to place greater protections (like J4J) for AA pilots. They did not and AMR ran the football around their front line and scored big time.
I'm not sure 190 pilots will result in 2-3 years of additional furlough time for most furloughees. Many things can change quickly at AA/Eagle.
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08-07-2010, 12:37 AM
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Back to the subject; which in a way is thinly related to the above post. AMR realizes that they have a large seniority mess--regardless of who is at fault. The longer AMR waits to recall, the probability of dissatisfied and disgruntled pilots on furlough will return increases. I'm here to say that AMR has absolutely no interest in AE flow through, or seniority integration anymore.
I do think there will be some scope relaxation--especially if CAL--UAL caves on scope. For all the tough talk, the APA simply does not have the resources, political clout, or the will to stop it from happening. All AMR needs is 50% plus 1, and with enough money on the table, APA will cave.
Couple this with productivity gains (read that higher monthly maximum which is now at 78 hours), and the probability of recalls in any significant amount dwindles appreciably.
Sorry guys--we can argue all day long about who was hosed by whom, but in the end there will be no more flow through, and little if any any recalls for years to come. JMHO.[/QUOTE]
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Back to the subject; which in a way is thinly related to the above post. AMR realizes that they have a large seniority mess--regardless of who is at fault. The longer AMR waits to recall, the probability of dissatisfied and disgruntled pilots on furlough will return increases. I'm here to say that AMR has absolutely no interest in AE flow through, or seniority integration anymore.
I do think there will be some scope relaxation--especially if CAL--UAL caves on scope. For all the tough talk, the APA simply does not have the resources, political clout, or the will to stop it from happening. All AMR needs is 50% plus 1, and with enough money on the table, APA will cave.
Couple this with productivity gains (read that higher monthly maximum which is now at 78 hours), and the probability of recalls in any significant amount dwindles appreciably.
Sorry guys--we can argue all day long about who was hosed by whom, but in the end there will be no more flow through, and little if any any recalls for years to come. JMHO.[/QUOTE]
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08-08-2010, 02:02 AM
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